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what other similar sites in the industry have much lower API costs?

by riku_iki 3y ago

orra 3y ago
That's a completely unrelated question.
- riku_iki 3y ago
  Its totally related question, if new reddit pricing is aligned with industry, then it is fair and reasonable pricing, and apps which go down are those who built little businesses on something reddit provided for free while not contributing back, and who now can't monetize their traffic well enough. Apollo dev can start charging his customers $5/m and cover API costs, but the problem is that his value proposition is too small for such price.
  - orra 3y ago
    The question is whether the API pricing is designed to lock out thirty party apps. The pricing being orders of magnitude greater than the revenue from advertisers makes this clear. You say we should ask whether pricing is aligned with the rest of the industry. Well, the new reddit pricing is not far off twitter. The latter are infamous for freezing out third party clients.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      > The pricing being orders of magnitude greater than the revenue from advertisers Can you share how you came to this statement? > Well, the new reddit pricing is not far off twitter. I asked not about just twitter, but about any similar site you know. For example, imgur which is often referred in this situation actually charges $3k/50m requests, not far from reddit prices: https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing If you don't know such example, then reddit pricing is fair and reasonable, and that's apps problem that they can't monetize traffic.
  - giantrobot 3y ago
    > and apps which go down are those who built little businesses on something reddit provided for free while not contributing back Holy shit. Reddit's only content is provided by the users. The users of their APIs generate/moderate a non-trivial amount of content that gives anyone a reason to visit Reddit. Suggesting the API users aren't "giving back" is just ludicrous.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      > Suggesting the API users aren't "giving back" is just ludicrous. and they don't, apollo free app doesn't allow you to post, you need to pay $5 to unlock post feature. Also, obviously, I talked about revenue numbers, not content which already generated far than enough using default reddit app/web.
weaksauce 3y ago
imgur charges ~150usd for what would cost ~15,000usd in the new structure
- riku_iki 3y ago
  its $3k/50m requests not $150/50m reqs, not far from reddit prices: https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing
  - weaksauce 3y ago
    from the dev himself: > I'm deeply disappointed in this price. Reddit iterated that the price would be A) reasonable and based in reality, and B) they would not operate like Twitter. Twitter's pricing was publicly ridiculed for its obscene price of $42,000 for 50 million tweets. Reddit's is still $12,000. For reference, I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      I gave you link on official pricing, it is up to you who you want to trust.
      - weaksauce 3y ago
        https://web.archive.org/web/20210925071659/https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing https://web.archive.org/web/20210925071659/https://rapidapi.... was much cheaper just 2 years ago and he's been using it for at least 8 years... i imagine he was grandfathered in to an even earlier one/negotiated a deal. that's what sane api companies do... grandfather and don't pull the rug out in 30 days
        riku_iki 3y ago
        That page says if he doesn't fit into mega plan, it will cost him 50k per 50m reqs, or I am missing something?

what other similar sites in the industry have much lower API costs?

orra 3y ago

That's a completely unrelated question.

riku_iki 3y ago
Its totally related question, if new reddit pricing is aligned with industry, then it is fair and reasonable pricing, and apps which go down are those who built little businesses on something reddit provided for free while not contributing back, and who now can't monetize their traffic well enough. Apollo dev can start charging his customers $5/m and cover API costs, but the problem is that his value proposition is too small for such price.
- orra 3y ago
  The question is whether the API pricing is designed to lock out thirty party apps. The pricing being orders of magnitude greater than the revenue from advertisers makes this clear. You say we should ask whether pricing is aligned with the rest of the industry. Well, the new reddit pricing is not far off twitter. The latter are infamous for freezing out third party clients.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    > The pricing being orders of magnitude greater than the revenue from advertisers Can you share how you came to this statement? > Well, the new reddit pricing is not far off twitter. I asked not about just twitter, but about any similar site you know. For example, imgur which is often referred in this situation actually charges $3k/50m requests, not far from reddit prices: https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing If you don't know such example, then reddit pricing is fair and reasonable, and that's apps problem that they can't monetize traffic.
- giantrobot 3y ago
  > and apps which go down are those who built little businesses on something reddit provided for free while not contributing back Holy shit. Reddit's only content is provided by the users. The users of their APIs generate/moderate a non-trivial amount of content that gives anyone a reason to visit Reddit. Suggesting the API users aren't "giving back" is just ludicrous.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    > Suggesting the API users aren't "giving back" is just ludicrous. and they don't, apollo free app doesn't allow you to post, you need to pay $5 to unlock post feature. Also, obviously, I talked about revenue numbers, not content which already generated far than enough using default reddit app/web.

weaksauce 3y ago

imgur charges ~150usd for what would cost ~15,000usd in the new structure

riku_iki 3y ago
its $3k/50m requests not $150/50m reqs, not far from reddit prices: https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing
- weaksauce 3y ago
  from the dev himself: > I'm deeply disappointed in this price. Reddit iterated that the price would be A) reasonable and based in reality, and B) they would not operate like Twitter. Twitter's pricing was publicly ridiculed for its obscene price of $42,000 for 50 million tweets. Reddit's is still $12,000. For reference, I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    I gave you link on official pricing, it is up to you who you want to trust.
    - weaksauce 3y ago
      https://web.archive.org/web/20210925071659/https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing https://web.archive.org/web/20210925071659/https://rapidapi.... was much cheaper just 2 years ago and he's been using it for at least 8 years... i imagine he was grandfathered in to an even earlier one/negotiated a deal. that's what sane api companies do... grandfather and don't pull the rug out in 30 days
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        That page says if he doesn't fit into mega plan, it will cost him 50k per 50m reqs, or I am missing something?