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I've seen Lemmy paraded around, it ha promise but you gotta diy your community. My biggest concern with the fediverse is trust. Trust takes a while to establis

I've seen Lemmy paraded around, it ha promise but you gotta diy your community. My biggest concern with the fediverse is trust. Trust takes a while to establish. Looking back, man usenet's format was kinda similar to reddit wasn't it? Usenet with voting. Idk about y'all but this is actually kinda super fun. I'd love to reintroduce some modernized takes on old school platforms. The internet was more fun before everything got consolidated anyway.

shmatt 3y ago
To me Reddit is FB groups with voting. So does that make Usenet similar to FB groups?
- gremlinsinc 3y ago
  Reddit is also like one group per topic(generally), I mean there's branches of topics and breakaways but in general there's usually a main sub on a topic where you might have 50 Facebook groups. it's nice to have more silod content, IMHO.
shadowgovt 3y ago
I thought the Fediverse is a non-starter because a critical mass of the admin base and userbase are openly hostile to searchability, which punts "discovery" right out the window. Reddit has been building utility as a storehouse of decently-curated answers to questions that Google can crawl. Fediverse content can't fit that use-case if admins kick out crawlers and users are terrified of having things they post be found in the future.
The_Colonel 3y ago
Trust is very important e. g. Facebook or even Twitter alternatives. For reddit alternative, not so much. I don't care about my reddit profile, I rotate them frequently anyway.
- alwaysbeconsing 3y ago
  I've been curious about this; is rotation or segregated accounts more complicated when operating in the Fediverse? It seems like you're meant to have a single identity across everything.
  - shaoonb 3y ago
    Not particularly. I spun up accounts on quite a few different lemmy instances yesterday when certain instances were getting hammered by traffic spikes. Things seem to have settled down now, but it seems like jumping to a new account is very easy. I worry that it will make it harder to deal with trolls and spammers though if they can just create a new account on another instance at will.
tayo42 3y ago
poking around lemmy the other day: I don't like the UI, to much white space, one of my main issues with reddit Going through the code and issues, i have suspicions its a bit over engineered in the wrong ways and will have trouble continuing to scale, like they are already seeing. it doesnt matter your using hip rust frameworks or w/e if you cant write sql queries or architect the app to run fast... I dont get the fediverse thing or its importance. If you think back to old forum communities, they were ad supported or corporate backed and usually attached to some kind of greater site as a feature(even this is just a ycombinator feature to begin with) If anything, connecting everyone is a bad idea. Really we just need message boards, with modern features like tree comments, effective uis, that can be monetarily supported. they need to be part of an existing place on the internet, not just a place for the whole internet to be together. There can't be vc funding involved. Reddit being a company with internal corporate culture and profit motivations is what ruined it. without vc, their goal could be just to exist and slowly and sustainably grow, this all wouldn't have happened.
- rkangel 3y ago
  This exact situation is why federation is valuable. It allows us to separate the "shape" of tool that we want from the people who run it. Reddit is a useful concept: a series of communities with voting and hierarchical discussion. It also provides aggregation (ability to see a feed of all your communities) and discoverability. Individual forums get you some way, but don't solve the aggregation thing (which is a primary way I use Reddit: scroll through my "Popular" feed). How about we just design some form of system that allowed people to build their own aggregated feed of a group of individually hosted forums? That would be (a) cool, and (b) we've just done federation.
  - shagie 3y ago
    Sans voting (and that has its own set of problems that it brings with it), that generally describes what Usenet was in days of old.
Buttons840 3y ago
Looking at Lemmy instance sizes was a kick in the gut. I thought for sure there would be tens of thousands out there on various forums, but it's more like hundreds. The monoculture is worse than I thought.
mikeravkine 3y ago
I have been burned by Fediverse so badly I will never go back. I joined a Mastodon instance with 3k+ other users and made several hundred posts.. until one day when login failed. Turns out the admin lied about a lot of things (like backups) and an unpaid bill wiped the machine. Migrations are not possible when original server is offline, so I lost many months of content. Running an instance by myself is no fun, community is the point. I see no obvious solution but wont personally ever touch another ActivityPub based social media.
- dabluecaboose 3y ago
  >Migrations are not possible when original server is offline, so I lost many months of content. >Running an instance by myself is no fun, community is the point. I might be missing something (in which case pardon me), but isn't one of the strengths of a federated system that you could "roll your own" just to host your account and then engage on other servers with that account? I'm imagining it as email, and your email provider accidentally wiped your account. My perception of the federated reddit clone might be off, though.
  - v64 3y ago
    This is correct. While it's true that running your own instance is far from simple if you don't have server experience, in my opinion it's the ideal way to interact with the fediverse. I run my own instance, so I know my content is regularly backed up and I have access to the entire fediverse (many larger instances will block other instances at the server level for moderation reasons, so users on those servers are unable to see any content from the blocked instance). As for community, you have to seek out users on other servers to follow in order to bootstrap yourself, but once you've done that, their posts will federate to your instance and vice versa. You can also go directly to other sites and copy the thread link into your instance to interact with it, or if the site supports it, you can log in via OAuth with your own account and interact natively with the content on the other instance.
heyoni 3y ago
The /r/rust is initiating a soft fork of Lemmy.
heyoni 3y ago
/r/rust just initiated a soft fork of Lemmy so it should be getting some traction and development.
- abhijat 3y ago
  Do you perhaps know why they aren't contributing to the upstream?
  - true_blue 3y ago
    I believe it's related to the stalinism controversy.

shmatt 3y ago

To me Reddit is FB groups with voting. So does that make Usenet similar to FB groups?

gremlinsinc 3y ago
Reddit is also like one group per topic(generally), I mean there's branches of topics and breakaways but in general there's usually a main sub on a topic where you might have 50 Facebook groups. it's nice to have more silod content, IMHO.

shadowgovt 3y ago

I thought the Fediverse is a non-starter because a critical mass of the admin base and userbase are openly hostile to searchability, which punts "discovery" right out the window. Reddit has been building utility as a storehouse of decently-curated answers to questions that Google can crawl. Fediverse content can't fit that use-case if admins kick out crawlers and users are terrified of having things they post be found in the future.

The_Colonel 3y ago

Trust is very important e. g. Facebook or even Twitter alternatives. For reddit alternative, not so much. I don't care about my reddit profile, I rotate them frequently anyway.

alwaysbeconsing 3y ago
I've been curious about this; is rotation or segregated accounts more complicated when operating in the Fediverse? It seems like you're meant to have a single identity across everything.
- shaoonb 3y ago
  Not particularly. I spun up accounts on quite a few different lemmy instances yesterday when certain instances were getting hammered by traffic spikes. Things seem to have settled down now, but it seems like jumping to a new account is very easy. I worry that it will make it harder to deal with trolls and spammers though if they can just create a new account on another instance at will.

tayo42 3y ago

poking around lemmy the other day: I don't like the UI, to much white space, one of my main issues with reddit Going through the code and issues, i have suspicions its a bit over engineered in the wrong ways and will have trouble continuing to scale, like they are already seeing. it doesnt matter your using hip rust frameworks or w/e if you cant write sql queries or architect the app to run fast... I dont get the fediverse thing or its importance. If you think back to old forum communities, they were ad supported or corporate backed and usually attached to some kind of greater site as a feature(even this is just a ycombinator feature to begin with) If anything, connecting everyone is a bad idea. Really we just need message boards, with modern features like tree comments, effective uis, that can be monetarily supported. they need to be part of an existing place on the internet, not just a place for the whole internet to be together. There can't be vc funding involved. Reddit being a company with internal corporate culture and profit motivations is what ruined it. without vc, their goal could be just to exist and slowly and sustainably grow, this all wouldn't have happened.

rkangel 3y ago
This exact situation is why federation is valuable. It allows us to separate the "shape" of tool that we want from the people who run it. Reddit is a useful concept: a series of communities with voting and hierarchical discussion. It also provides aggregation (ability to see a feed of all your communities) and discoverability. Individual forums get you some way, but don't solve the aggregation thing (which is a primary way I use Reddit: scroll through my "Popular" feed). How about we just design some form of system that allowed people to build their own aggregated feed of a group of individually hosted forums? That would be (a) cool, and (b) we've just done federation.
- shagie 3y ago
  Sans voting (and that has its own set of problems that it brings with it), that generally describes what Usenet was in days of old.

Buttons840 3y ago

Looking at Lemmy instance sizes was a kick in the gut. I thought for sure there would be tens of thousands out there on various forums, but it's more like hundreds. The monoculture is worse than I thought.

mikeravkine 3y ago

I have been burned by Fediverse so badly I will never go back. I joined a Mastodon instance with 3k+ other users and made several hundred posts.. until one day when login failed. Turns out the admin lied about a lot of things (like backups) and an unpaid bill wiped the machine. Migrations are not possible when original server is offline, so I lost many months of content. Running an instance by myself is no fun, community is the point. I see no obvious solution but wont personally ever touch another ActivityPub based social media.

dabluecaboose 3y ago
>Migrations are not possible when original server is offline, so I lost many months of content. >Running an instance by myself is no fun, community is the point. I might be missing something (in which case pardon me), but isn't one of the strengths of a federated system that you could "roll your own" just to host your account and then engage on other servers with that account? I'm imagining it as email, and your email provider accidentally wiped your account. My perception of the federated reddit clone might be off, though.
- v64 3y ago
  This is correct. While it's true that running your own instance is far from simple if you don't have server experience, in my opinion it's the ideal way to interact with the fediverse. I run my own instance, so I know my content is regularly backed up and I have access to the entire fediverse (many larger instances will block other instances at the server level for moderation reasons, so users on those servers are unable to see any content from the blocked instance). As for community, you have to seek out users on other servers to follow in order to bootstrap yourself, but once you've done that, their posts will federate to your instance and vice versa. You can also go directly to other sites and copy the thread link into your instance to interact with it, or if the site supports it, you can log in via OAuth with your own account and interact natively with the content on the other instance.

heyoni 3y ago

The /r/rust is initiating a soft fork of Lemmy.

heyoni 3y ago

/r/rust just initiated a soft fork of Lemmy so it should be getting some traction and development.

abhijat 3y ago
Do you perhaps know why they aren't contributing to the upstream?
- true_blue 3y ago
  I believe it's related to the stalinism controversy.