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Cloudflare Is Having Issues
- intellix 3y agotheir business model is waiting until you're locked into Enterprise and then forcing you into ridiculous pricing. One account on business has a bill of $150 for Cloudflare Workers. On our Enterprise account they're quoting us $3,800 for the same thing.
- taubek 3y agoIs this the reason for access issues to Hacker News at the moment?
- LinuxBender 3y agoProbably not, at least not directly. HN is hosted on M5 Computer Security at the moment and it's DNS is AWS. The load issues usually happen when a few popular threads have a really high comment count and dang usually has to enable pagination or other things to compensate.
- MuffinFlavored 3y ago> HN is hosted on M5 Computer Security Do we know if it is just like, one tall MySQL instance and a few RubyOnRails API instances? Not sure what would be used for "caching" as well. > The load issues usually happen when a few popular threads have a really high comment count and dang usually has to enable pagination or other things to compensate. Why not auto-turn it on at like 500 comments or so?
- LinuxBender 3y agoDo we know if it is just like, one tall MySQL instance and a few RubyOnRails API instances? Two servers, one active and one standby. Both running Arc on BSD. No MySQL or Ruby. Why not auto-turn it on at like 500 comments or so? Best to ask dang directly on that one hn@ycombinator.com as I have never seen the code and responsible adults don't let me near their code.
- nprateem 3y agoIt always surprises me that a VC that has backed multiple tech unicorns can't run a scalable web site.
- fathyb 3y agoI always felt like scalability and growth aren't goals here, which is something I like to be honest.
- nprateem 3y agoThis must be a major funnel for them. The fact they can't even run a robust text-only website ought to be an embarrassment, but here we are. Every time there's a major tech story the site grinds to a halt until one guy jumps onto a server and ninjas it or whatever. Unprofessional to say the least.
- NicoJuicy 3y agoIt's actually pretty impressive that they are running this from one server in their own programming language
- Macha 3y ago
- anamexis 3y agoHN is written in Arc, an experimental lisp dialect created by Paul Graham. I believe it runs on a single instance? Not sure though. I believe pagination does turn on automatically at 500 comments.
- Gasp0de 3y agoI am getting 504 errors trying to load hacker news in Germany, I think it's possible it has to do with the cloudflare outage.
- marginalia_nu 3y agoHN's slowness is probably knock-on result of Reddit's outage. It's where a lot of people to go to discuss the Reddit shit-tornado.
- xxs 3y agoThe advice in such cases: "logout". Hacker News has a lot easier time when service 'static' content. ...and I had to login just to say this...
- perihelions 3y agoI think it's just too many Reddit refugees at once. PSA: if you browse HN in logged-out mode (e.g. a private tab), you can receive cached versions of HN threads that load much faster. The logged-in experience is currently worse than the logged-out: dynamic content generation for user-account stuff seems to be hitting a slow path on the server.
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- travisjungroth 3y agoThis isn’t the exact same, but there’s a similarity in order-of-magnitude differences and flow rates: Most professional pilots work for the airlines. When you remove military, it’s a huge majority. Most pilot jobs flow into the airlines. It’s a pretty cohesive labor market. So, whatever market forces are going on for pilot labor in your little niche job are completely dominated by the airlines. Like you’d think banner towing jobs would be mostly affected by advertising trends, but they’re not. Passenger travel trends are way more important. (This is for the job market, not the business market) Similarly, the flow from a way bigger site can overwhelm whatever you have going on.
- chaikasumu 3y agoI think that is pretty unlikely. HN doesn't use Cloudflare at all as far as I know, and not to downplay the scope of the outage, but Cloudflare's core CDN Offering is fine. Other core services such as Cloudflare Pages/Workers/KV are also fine. This is mostly addon/developer products, the biggest of which (imo) being R2. If you log out, it loads a lot faster (at least the main/cached pages)
- scrum-treats 3y agoLooks like it is AWS. Given the fact that both Reddit and HN (and Apple, which is also experiencing issues) are on AWS, it looks suspicious. Also, new account creation in HN is broken at the moment.
- capableweb 3y agoI don't know about Reddit, but I'm fairly sure HN isn't hosted at Amazon.
- Zetobal 3y agoIt was for a really short time last year when there was a bad hardware failure.
- jgrahamc 3y agoI suppose this is at the top of HN because of Reddit having an outage and Hacker News being slow. But neither Reddit nor HN use Cloudflare. And if you look at the status page there this isn't our core CDN offering, it's certain products that are affected.
- capableweb 3y agoI suppose this is at the top of HN as CloudFlare is quickly become a centralized point of failure for big parts of the internet, even without counting the CDN, so large swaths are affected regardless if it's just a "minor" outage or not. Hence it's interesting enough to land at the top.
- robertlagrant 3y agoI wouldn't say it's a centralised point of failure. Many individual sites choose to use it, so it is used by big parts of the internet, but that doesn't make it centralised. Maybe a single point of failure.
- efdee 3y agoIt's impossible for a single point of failure not to be centralised. Otherwise it wouldn't be a _single_ point of failure.
- robertlagrant 3y agoOf course it is. If a million websites are built with Flask then a bug in Flask affects all of them. If a million websites individually decide to use Cloudflare then Cloudflare affects them all. But that doesn't mean Cloudflare is built in a centralised way (I assume it isn't), nor that there's something about the internet that is centralised around Cloudflare. Rather, people are choosing to include it as a dependency in their stack.
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- lagniappe 3y agoOff topic: Cloudflare, like Google, is bad for the internet- not just for the way they centralize the internet but for the way they begin to conflate themselves with The Internet. Very few sites need Cloudflare, and of those with it equipped, an even fewer number configure it or use it correctly for their application.
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- capableweb 3y agoWell, you say that a large part of the internet are using Cloudflare then by that measure, they are The Internet, together with all the rest of the services who are also The Internet.
- c00lio 3y ago"AOL is The Internet" sorry, just had a flashback...
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- BiteCode_dev 3y agoI run several services without cloudflare, but it's so tempting. Their product is excellent, and so easy to use. You push a button, and suddenly a whole class of difficult problems disappears. It's very hard to fight against the urge to use it.
- waboremo 3y agoThis in combination with the above is a huge issue, in which people are too concerned about "don't use Cloudflare" angle that they don't spend any effort into creating alternative solutions for the problems that exist. We can dismiss the problems all we want by saying "most people don't need it", but if they're using it, clearly they see a need and this has to be addressed not ignored. Which is why it's so hard to fight against the urge, so go ahead and use it if it saves you time and money. Until real alternatives exist, don't hinder yourself.
- ck2 3y agoIf a foreign power wanted to amplify chaos online, this seems like an easy pre-scheduled time to do it? But more likely just kids with endless hacked IoT available to DDoS whatever they feel like. Before IPv6 there were "internet weather" services, are they still around?
- casenmgreen 3y agoI'm sorry they're having trouble, but speaking just for myself, perhaps this means I will be able for a short time to view a very considerable number of web-sites which normally are inaccessible behind a permanent loop of "we must check the security of your connection".
- tills13 3y agowith all due respect what are you doing? I've literally never encountered such a screen.
- seydor 3y agoreddit, hn, cloudflare down. This is a bad day for the internet
- anaganisk 3y agoLol what? TikTok, Facebook, Google, YouTube, AWS seem to be doing just fine.
- xeromal 3y agoBut where do the NERDS go?
- anaganisk 3y agoTwitter, YouTube, Google, AWS, TikTok? Or all the nerds posting screenshots to Twitter or posting screenshots of Twitter to HN and reddit, googling programming related stuff, using services deployed on AWS, and TikTok tech content creators not nerds?
- emadda 3y agoOn a side note, I recently released durafetch.com which allows you to download your Durable Object state to a local SQLite database. It allows you to observe and query your state in dev and prod. Take a look: https://durafetch.com https://durafetch.com
- AmenBreak 3y ago[flagged]
- voyager1 3y agoWe use Cloudflare primarily for CDN, but they are having issues a few times a year and I am looking for an alternative. Any suggestions?
- rs999gti 3y agoAmazon Cloudfront with WAF Azure CDN with Front Door etc. etc.
- theanonymousone 3y agoIn Switzerland, the national rail company's online services were down in the morning and people could not buy tickets. Then news came out that MasterCard was also having problems during the day. And then Reddit, HackerNews (it was totally down for me, not just slow), and now Cloudflare!
- torvald 3y agoWelcome to the future!
- _zaphod 3y agoSo fed up of this crap. Switching back to fastly
- nektro 3y agohope they stay down
- bookofjoe 3y agoWhy not do what Orwell advised and call them "problems?"
- josefresco 3y agoSorting comments by date would be helpful on large outage threads like this that are now hours (4) old.
- klysm 3y agoI'm always excited when things go down like this because that means I get to read another postmortem
- slyall 3y agoDirect Link to incident page: https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/z4lmb920dm09 https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/z4lmb920dm09