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Wow, that's terrible. Do Germans not have as good of climate control or something? I wonder what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better l

by wyager 3y ago

Wow, that's terrible. Do Germans not have as good of climate control or something? I wonder what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level. It looks like wholesale electricity costs in Germany are around 4x higher than in the US.

milliams 3y ago
I think you missed the PER YEAR part. 3500 kwh per year is only 292 kwh per month, which is about three times lower than the US number quoted.
- wyager 3y ago
  I didn't miss that. I'm saying it's concerning that Germany's energy availability is so impoverished. To quote myself: > I wonder what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    What is bad about using less energy? What is good about using more?
    - wyager 3y ago
      Energy usage is synonymous with level of civilization. I like civilization.
      - Timon3 3y ago
        And yet, america uses much more. Shouldn't that give you a pause? :) Jokes aside, you're describing a correlation. America does not seem "more civilized" to me, you guys are just wasteful. Wasted energy does not lead to more civilization.
        wyager 3y ago
        > Shouldn't that give you a pause? No; It's completely consistent with my model. America is more advanced by a huge margin. It's also evidently a more desirable place to live; the Germany-to-USA migration rate is something like 3x the other direction.
Brotkrumen 3y ago
>what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level That's a good question. Prices are a good start. Consumer prices seem to be twice in G as in the US. Don't know where you get the "wholesale price is 4x in G". Most of what I can find is that wholesale is usually pretty close. My guess of what G could do to increase consumption and thus moneys: - Lower prices (duh). End user power is taxed heavily to subsidize industry power - Remove mandatory energy labels on all electronics. Who really needs to know how much a TV or fridge is going to consume in power? - Mandate "power-included" in rents. If you pay a fixed sum, you might as well leave the fridge open to cool the kitchen - Mandate central heating and cooling. If you only pay a share of what you consume, might as well go full blast on everything - stop subsidizing energy efficiency for new single and multi-tenant homes. - stop building solid houses. Plywood walls are fine Nice comparison on power prices: https://www.iea.org/reports/electricity-market-report-december-2020/2020-global-overview-prices https://www.iea.org/reports/electricity-market-report-decemb...

by wyager 3y ago

milliams 3y ago

I think you missed the PER YEAR part. 3500 kwh per year is only 292 kwh per month, which is about three times lower than the US number quoted.

wyager 3y ago
I didn't miss that. I'm saying it's concerning that Germany's energy availability is so impoverished. To quote myself: > I wonder what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level.
- Timon3 3y ago
  What is bad about using less energy? What is good about using more?
  - wyager 3y ago
    Energy usage is synonymous with level of civilization. I like civilization.
    - Timon3 3y ago
      And yet, america uses much more. Shouldn't that give you a pause? :) Jokes aside, you're describing a correlation. America does not seem "more civilized" to me, you guys are just wasteful. Wasted energy does not lead to more civilization.
      - wyager 3y ago
        > Shouldn't that give you a pause? No; It's completely consistent with my model. America is more advanced by a huge margin. It's also evidently a more desirable place to live; the Germany-to-USA migration rate is something like 3x the other direction.

Brotkrumen 3y ago

>what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level That's a good question. Prices are a good start. Consumer prices seem to be twice in G as in the US. Don't know where you get the "wholesale price is 4x in G". Most of what I can find is that wholesale is usually pretty close. My guess of what G could do to increase consumption and thus moneys: - Lower prices (duh). End user power is taxed heavily to subsidize industry power - Remove mandatory energy labels on all electronics. Who really needs to know how much a TV or fridge is going to consume in power? - Mandate "power-included" in rents. If you pay a fixed sum, you might as well leave the fridge open to cool the kitchen - Mandate central heating and cooling. If you only pay a share of what you consume, might as well go full blast on everything - stop subsidizing energy efficiency for new single and multi-tenant homes. - stop building solid houses. Plywood walls are fine Nice comparison on power prices: https://www.iea.org/reports/electricity-market-report-december-2020/2020-global-overview-prices https://www.iea.org/reports/electricity-market-report-decemb...