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> Crockford has been a net negative to JS for 20 years now. I'd say JSON is pretty successful as a protocol, even beyond JavaScript. Also The Good Parts is pr

> Crockford has been a net negative to JS for 20 years now. I'd say JSON is pretty successful as a protocol, even beyond JavaScript. Also The Good Parts is probably as important now as it was when it was published. The language hasn't improved — it's just grown.

taeric 3y ago
JSON is a protocol? I'm not sure I follow. That said, JSON is still an interesting study. Basically, "take the object literal syntax of javascript, get rid of functions, require double quotes, don't recognize comments." It is good to get folks to stop using 'eval' to pull some data into the browser, though it is a shame that couldn't have been preserved a bit more safely. And, of course, json-lines and then the steady expanse of json-schema is looking to be hilarious. How long until we add in namespaces to the idea? :D
- yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
  Ok, perhaps not strictly a protocol, but a data format. I'm using the word a little more loosely than some dictionaries suggest, though it appears to comport with this definition published on Cloudflare. > In networking, a protocol is a set of rules for formatting and processing data. Network protocols are like a common language for computers. The computers within a network may use vastly different software and hardware; however, the use of protocols enables them to communicate with each other regardless. https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/network-layer/what-is-a-protocol/ https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/network-layer/what-is-a-...
  - taeric 3y ago
    Protocol typically implies a conversation. Expectations and messaging. That said, synonyms all over the place. So, I can see it. I think I would avoid it here, as this would also make "mp3" a protocol. Data format already covers that, though. Whereas something like WebRTC seems more in the protocol vein.
    - SoftTalker 3y ago
      I think many people think of JSON as a protocol as it's almost always used in the context of HTTP, which is a protocol. They're just combining the data format and the protcol when they say "JSON"
      - taeric 3y ago
        I mean, sure? But I don't think we'd accept people calling HTML a protocol, would we?
- tuukkah 3y ago
  You should have a look at JSON-LD: a major part of it is adding namespaces ("prefixes") and a default namespace ("@vocab") to JSON: https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld11/#compact-iris https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld11/#compact-iris
  - taeric 3y ago
    Oh wow. At what point do we just switch back to XML?

taeric 3y ago

JSON is a protocol? I'm not sure I follow. That said, JSON is still an interesting study. Basically, "take the object literal syntax of javascript, get rid of functions, require double quotes, don't recognize comments." It is good to get folks to stop using 'eval' to pull some data into the browser, though it is a shame that couldn't have been preserved a bit more safely. And, of course, json-lines and then the steady expanse of json-schema is looking to be hilarious. How long until we add in namespaces to the idea? :D

yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
Ok, perhaps not strictly a protocol, but a data format. I'm using the word a little more loosely than some dictionaries suggest, though it appears to comport with this definition published on Cloudflare. > In networking, a protocol is a set of rules for formatting and processing data. Network protocols are like a common language for computers. The computers within a network may use vastly different software and hardware; however, the use of protocols enables them to communicate with each other regardless. https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/network-layer/what-is-a-protocol/ https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/network-layer/what-is-a-...
- taeric 3y ago
  Protocol typically implies a conversation. Expectations and messaging. That said, synonyms all over the place. So, I can see it. I think I would avoid it here, as this would also make "mp3" a protocol. Data format already covers that, though. Whereas something like WebRTC seems more in the protocol vein.
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    I think many people think of JSON as a protocol as it's almost always used in the context of HTTP, which is a protocol. They're just combining the data format and the protcol when they say "JSON"
    - taeric 3y ago
      I mean, sure? But I don't think we'd accept people calling HTML a protocol, would we?
tuukkah 3y ago
You should have a look at JSON-LD: a major part of it is adding namespaces ("prefixes") and a default namespace ("@vocab") to JSON: https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld11/#compact-iris https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld11/#compact-iris
- taeric 3y ago
  Oh wow. At what point do we just switch back to XML?