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Honestly, as a midclass/poor class individual (+90% of the people), what could one do anyway? Food itself is a luxury for many people/countries. Imagine askin

Honestly, as a midclass/poor class individual (+90% of the people), what could one do anyway? Food itself is a luxury for many people/countries. Imagine asking for poor people to go vegan or to buy electric cars. The most important and impactful decisions are confined to the hands of a few billionaire families around the world.

juujian 3y ago
> Honestly, as a midclass/poor class individual (+90% of the people), what could one do anyway? Are you asking us, or are you asking yourself?
- boredemployee 3y ago
  I'm accessing a forum with a number of people greater than 1. So the idea is that the question is for other people besides myself.
  - juujian 3y ago
    Well, we don't know the circumstances of your life, where you live, what resources you have. That all determines what possibilities exist for you to engage yourself.
guy98238710 3y ago
Plant-based food is actually cheaper, at least the ordinary stuff like bread, pasta, legumes, oat flakes, and even the hated sugar. And so is public transportation where available.
myshpa 3y ago
> Food itself is a luxury for many people/countries. That's why you'll find most vegans/vegetarians in low-income countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism_by_country#Demographics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism_by_country#Demographi... (the list seems incomplete, e.g. missing Ethiopia) > Imagine asking for poor people to go vegan Global study shows vegan and vegetarian diets cheapest option in high-income countries https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-chea... Study: Grocery Costs on a Vegan Diet Are 40 Percent Lower Than Diets with Meat https://thebeet.com/study-grocery-costs-on-a-vegan-diet-are-40-percent-lower-than-diets-with-meat/ https://thebeet.com/study-grocery-costs-on-a-vegan-diet-are-... Vegans found to have highest amount of disease-fighting biomarkers https://news.llu.edu/research/vegans-found-have-highest-amount-of-disease-fighting-biomarkers https://news.llu.edu/research/vegans-found-have-highest-amou... > The most important and impactful decisions are confined to the hands of a few billionaire families around the world It's true that inequality (of power distribution) is a big part of the problem. But meat & dairy production is fueled by demand. So it's something we can collectively influence by individual actions. Veganism is on the rise, the animal industry is already scared of its dwindling profits.
- boredemployee 3y ago
  >> Veganism is on the rise The question is whether it is by society's will or because of the general price of meat. there are communities, tribes and even people in civilization that celebrate when they finally have meat. presidents can win election promising the population will be able to buy meat again [1]. I don't believe in these circumstances that it's a voluntary demand, but an imposition of their surroundings, lack of money, etc. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-02/faltering-economy-endangers-lula-s-barbecue-and-beer-promise#xj4y7vzkg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-02/faltering...
  - myshpa 3y ago
    In my experience it's ethics, environment and health reasons, people don't turn vegan for lack of money. https://thevou.com/lifestyle/how-many-vegans-are-in-the-world/ https://thevou.com/lifestyle/how-many-vegans-are-in-the-worl...
    - boredemployee 3y ago
      Yes, probably we live in different bubbles. Still, given from your reference, less than 1% of population in the USA are vegan. That number is not that big.

juujian 3y ago

> Honestly, as a midclass/poor class individual (+90% of the people), what could one do anyway? Are you asking us, or are you asking yourself?

boredemployee 3y ago
I'm accessing a forum with a number of people greater than 1. So the idea is that the question is for other people besides myself.
- juujian 3y ago
  Well, we don't know the circumstances of your life, where you live, what resources you have. That all determines what possibilities exist for you to engage yourself.

guy98238710 3y ago

Plant-based food is actually cheaper, at least the ordinary stuff like bread, pasta, legumes, oat flakes, and even the hated sugar. And so is public transportation where available.

myshpa 3y ago

> Food itself is a luxury for many people/countries. That's why you'll find most vegans/vegetarians in low-income countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism_by_country#Demographics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism_by_country#Demographi... (the list seems incomplete, e.g. missing Ethiopia) > Imagine asking for poor people to go vegan Global study shows vegan and vegetarian diets cheapest option in high-income countries https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-chea... Study: Grocery Costs on a Vegan Diet Are 40 Percent Lower Than Diets with Meat https://thebeet.com/study-grocery-costs-on-a-vegan-diet-are-40-percent-lower-than-diets-with-meat/ https://thebeet.com/study-grocery-costs-on-a-vegan-diet-are-... Vegans found to have highest amount of disease-fighting biomarkers https://news.llu.edu/research/vegans-found-have-highest-amount-of-disease-fighting-biomarkers https://news.llu.edu/research/vegans-found-have-highest-amou... > The most important and impactful decisions are confined to the hands of a few billionaire families around the world It's true that inequality (of power distribution) is a big part of the problem. But meat & dairy production is fueled by demand. So it's something we can collectively influence by individual actions. Veganism is on the rise, the animal industry is already scared of its dwindling profits.

boredemployee 3y ago
>> Veganism is on the rise The question is whether it is by society's will or because of the general price of meat. there are communities, tribes and even people in civilization that celebrate when they finally have meat. presidents can win election promising the population will be able to buy meat again [1]. I don't believe in these circumstances that it's a voluntary demand, but an imposition of their surroundings, lack of money, etc. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-02/faltering-economy-endangers-lula-s-barbecue-and-beer-promise#xj4y7vzkg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-02/faltering...
- myshpa 3y ago
  In my experience it's ethics, environment and health reasons, people don't turn vegan for lack of money. https://thevou.com/lifestyle/how-many-vegans-are-in-the-world/ https://thevou.com/lifestyle/how-many-vegans-are-in-the-worl...
  - boredemployee 3y ago
    Yes, probably we live in different bubbles. Still, given from your reference, less than 1% of population in the USA are vegan. That number is not that big.