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So use more.. to one day maybe save the lucky ones.

throwuwu 3y ago
No, make everything especially energy as cheap and efficient as possible so that everyone gets richer and healthier and can contribute to solving humanity’s problems.
- lm28469 3y ago
  > make everything especially energy as cheap and efficient as possible so that everyone gets richer and healthier That's like.... the root cause of our issues
  - throwuwu 3y ago
    You think we might be better off burning wood and dung instead of solar and nuclear? Carbon free energy requires high technology global civilization. If you make everyone poorer then say goodbye to science and technology, no one cares about those when they’re worrying about how to heat their home and put food on the table.
    - lm28469 3y ago
      Can't win a race with a moving finish line. It's never enough, we always want more We could live completely on renewable energy if we lived like our grandparents, we don't do it, because we want more, more food, more gadgets, more services more entertainment, more tech, more money, more health, &c. it never ends, because we don't have a goal. "get healthier and richer", the vaguest goal you can come up with
- jxramos 3y ago
  this is an interesting thought to rise the tide to lift more boats, ie for more people to ascend the hierarchy of needs and contemplate what sort of creative output we could secure from that ascent all else being equal. I'll have to think about that, that's an interesting idea.
  - ifiht 3y ago
    At the forefront of any niche field in science is a very small group of specialists working the problem (historically too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery) - the way we get ahead as a species is more specialised groups working more problems, which requires a larger educated base to draw from. i.e. we all go to the stars together or not at all, a dystopian future where most humans are impoverished/uneducated can't support the scientific progress needed to advance past our current technology

No, make everything especially energy as cheap and efficient as possible so that everyone gets richer and healthier and can contribute to solving humanity’s problems.

lm28469 3y ago
> make everything especially energy as cheap and efficient as possible so that everyone gets richer and healthier That's like.... the root cause of our issues
- throwuwu 3y ago
  You think we might be better off burning wood and dung instead of solar and nuclear? Carbon free energy requires high technology global civilization. If you make everyone poorer then say goodbye to science and technology, no one cares about those when they’re worrying about how to heat their home and put food on the table.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    Can't win a race with a moving finish line. It's never enough, we always want more We could live completely on renewable energy if we lived like our grandparents, we don't do it, because we want more, more food, more gadgets, more services more entertainment, more tech, more money, more health, &c. it never ends, because we don't have a goal. "get healthier and richer", the vaguest goal you can come up with
jxramos 3y ago
this is an interesting thought to rise the tide to lift more boats, ie for more people to ascend the hierarchy of needs and contemplate what sort of creative output we could secure from that ascent all else being equal. I'll have to think about that, that's an interesting idea.
- ifiht 3y ago
  At the forefront of any niche field in science is a very small group of specialists working the problem (historically too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery) - the way we get ahead as a species is more specialised groups working more problems, which requires a larger educated base to draw from. i.e. we all go to the stars together or not at all, a dystopian future where most humans are impoverished/uneducated can't support the scientific progress needed to advance past our current technology