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> but Linux is usually a single command and the whole system is upgraded I'd wish this remained the case. As a Fedora workstation user (XFCE spin), it consists

by mhitza 3y ago

> but Linux is usually a single command and the whole system is upgraded I'd wish this remained the case. As a Fedora workstation user (XFCE spin), it consists of a couple of steps, and a reboot for the upgrade. Now the annoying part where they started a couple of releases back to Windowsify the experience, with a nice upgrade screen that makes my computer useless until it installs the thousands of packages. I guesstimate (pessimistically), between the download time and installation time, it takes between 1-2 hours to upgrade the version (had to install around 4k packages the other day for the F38 upgrade). I'm quite sure they won't improve the upgrade process as they are definitely going to try with time to push the Silverblue/Kinoite (GIMP/KDE immutable distribution spins) further onto users. To speed it up for us that don't want to switch our flow, definitely torrents for package downloads, and smarter update packages would help (having the same package version on F37 & F38, but with a f38 naming suffix ideally shouldn't cause a full package reinstall).

blueflow 3y ago
Perspective from the other side of the Linux world: I do reinstall my laptops my dd'ing a image with Alpine onto them. Upgrade takes like two minutes. Learning to get things done with only the terminal, i3 and a web browser was a big upfront task, but the result is that my setup does not have much requirements, both resources and dependencies. I've been using that setup for 7 years now without suffering from breaking changes. And when wayland is stable enough, i can switch to sway.
- anotherhue 3y ago
  Now do it on reboot: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35390782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35390782
  - blueflow 3y ago
    Booting diskless is the native way of Alpine to boot. System configuration comes as apkovl tarball. I used this kind of setup before but i disliked the boot times. Would be much faster if the final rootfs was packed into the cpio. But if i pack the cpio onto the disk, its not that different from using a regular disk image.

by mhitza 3y ago

blueflow 3y ago

Perspective from the other side of the Linux world: I do reinstall my laptops my dd'ing a image with Alpine onto them. Upgrade takes like two minutes. Learning to get things done with only the terminal, i3 and a web browser was a big upfront task, but the result is that my setup does not have much requirements, both resources and dependencies. I've been using that setup for 7 years now without suffering from breaking changes. And when wayland is stable enough, i can switch to sway.

anotherhue 3y ago
Now do it on reboot: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35390782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35390782
- blueflow 3y ago
  Booting diskless is the native way of Alpine to boot. System configuration comes as apkovl tarball. I used this kind of setup before but i disliked the boot times. Would be much faster if the final rootfs was packed into the cpio. But if i pack the cpio onto the disk, its not that different from using a regular disk image.