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Out of the 23M people living in the 54K square miles of Florida you assume that 2 dozen idiots is the modal populace?

inferiorhuman 3y ago
Bit more than two dozen I'd say. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1158344050/florida-far-right-extremism-politics-desantis https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1158344050/florida-far-right-... https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2022/01/31/nazi-protests-held-in-florida-over-weekend-condemned/ https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2022/01/31/nazi-protest... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/01/ron-desantis-neo-nazi-protests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/01/ron-desantis... https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/florida-neo-nazi-who-became-muslim-admits-to-killing-roomates-for-insulting-faith/ https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/florida-neo-nazi-who-became-mu... https://hyperallergic.com/785647/alt-right-protesters-brandish-nazi-flag-at-florida-drag-event/ https://hyperallergic.com/785647/alt-right-protesters-brandi... https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/25/antisemitism-claims-after-photo-of-melbourne-firefighter-giving-nazi-salute/70148094007/ https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/25/antisemit...
- kcplate 3y ago
  Interesting that all your links never describe more than a single person or at most “15-20”. I have lived in Florida for more than four decades with family roots here going back to the 1930s…I can count on one hand with fingers leftover the number times I have encountered a “nazi”. But hey, feel free to stay away if you think you are gonna be surrounded by those assholes. You won’t be of course, because despite what the media and others might claim, Florida is pretty damned diverse and a quick visit to pretty much anywhere here would reveal that.
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    Interesting that you think 15–20 Nazis (or, you know, people flying the Nazi flag) is acceptable or that any Nazis killing folks is somehow acceptable. But, you know, fair point about going back to the 30s as Florida has historically been klan country. Oh look, the Klan's still nice and active in Florida. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kkk-allegedly-threatens-gay-political-candidate-florida-n797891 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kkk-allegedly-threat... Florida is pretty damned diverse Fair. You've got the klan, neo-nazis, moms for liberty, white lives matter, goyim defense league, natsoc florida, and of course the patriot front. That's pretty diverse. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-sunshine-state-extremism-antisemitism-florida-2020-2022 https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-sunshine-state-ext... Even if you were anywhere near correct, Florida is still being run by one man culture war. That shit desantis is pulling? That's not media hyperbole, that's not memes, they're the law of the land. Why would I want to put down roots somewhere that leads the nation in book banning? Or that looked at a shortage of teachers and thought that lowering (well, eliminating) standards was more appropriate than improving conditions? Why would I set down roots somewhere where the government is trying to legislate the opposition party out of existence? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/apr/20/ron-desantis-florida-electoral-map-gerrymandering-republican-advantage https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/apr/... Let's not forget SB1718. I guess that wasn't really meant to be actionable? Just intended to keep the darkies in line? I've gotta figure that the NAACP and HRC are onto something with their travel advisories, but then again I never did buy the "big bad media" myth that you're trying to sell. Florida is an environment that's openly hostile to people who aren't white, heterosexual, christian men. Don't complain when people who aren't in that demographic avoid or leave Florida.
    - kcplate 3y ago
      Nowhere did I say it was acceptable. I refered to them as idiots and assholes. Also nowhere did I complain that people were leaving the state for that reason. What I said, since you seem hell bent on a straw man argument tactic, was that the population of Florida was large and diverse and the number of neo-nazi assholes are so few that in 45 years of living here I have encountered maybe 3. But hey your opinion so formed from apparently zero practical experience and only the political commentary and news commentary that you read should certainly keep you away. The growing intentional increase of population in the state, including quite ironically to this conversation, several of my non-white, non-Christian, non-male, and in one case, non-heterosexual remote working coworkers who could live literally anywhere…have chosen to disagree with your assessment of the diversity and friendly nature of the state.
      - wyclif 3y ago
        Anybody who forms their opinion of any US state from papers like the Guardian UK instead of actually, you know, visiting the state in question usually results in people developing very stupid and ill-conceived impressions. It's as if there are a group of urbanites who form their impression of Florida entirely from Florida Man memes.
        inferiorhuman 3y ago
        Anybody who forms their opinion of any US state from papers like the Guardian UK instead of actually, you know, visiting the state in question usually results in people developing very stupid and ill-conceived impressions. It's as if there are a group of urbanites who form their impression of Florida entirely from Florida Man memes. How's that saying go? When you assume you make an ass out of you? Yeah. I've been to Florida. As far north as Jacksonville and as far south as Key West. It's almost as if you're trying to ignore the litany of hate groups that are festering in Florida because it doesn't fit your narrative. But, here, have a couple more sources on the vile gerrymandering. Even the courts have pointed out how racist the desantis redistricting was. But, sure, hang your hat on your fear of the Guardian. https://www.propublica.org/article/ron-desantis-florida-redistricting-map-scheme https://www.propublica.org/article/ron-desantis-florida-redi... https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/florida/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps...

Bit more than two dozen I'd say. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1158344050/florida-far-right-extremism-politics-desantis https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1158344050/florida-far-right-... https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2022/01/31/nazi-protests-held-in-florida-over-weekend-condemned/ https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2022/01/31/nazi-protest... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/01/ron-desantis-neo-nazi-protests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/01/ron-desantis... https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/florida-neo-nazi-who-became-muslim-admits-to-killing-roomates-for-insulting-faith/ https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/florida-neo-nazi-who-became-mu... https://hyperallergic.com/785647/alt-right-protesters-brandish-nazi-flag-at-florida-drag-event/ https://hyperallergic.com/785647/alt-right-protesters-brandi... https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/25/antisemitism-claims-after-photo-of-melbourne-firefighter-giving-nazi-salute/70148094007/ https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/25/antisemit...

kcplate 3y ago
Interesting that all your links never describe more than a single person or at most “15-20”. I have lived in Florida for more than four decades with family roots here going back to the 1930s…I can count on one hand with fingers leftover the number times I have encountered a “nazi”. But hey, feel free to stay away if you think you are gonna be surrounded by those assholes. You won’t be of course, because despite what the media and others might claim, Florida is pretty damned diverse and a quick visit to pretty much anywhere here would reveal that.
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  Interesting that you think 15–20 Nazis (or, you know, people flying the Nazi flag) is acceptable or that any Nazis killing folks is somehow acceptable. But, you know, fair point about going back to the 30s as Florida has historically been klan country. Oh look, the Klan's still nice and active in Florida. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kkk-allegedly-threatens-gay-political-candidate-florida-n797891 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kkk-allegedly-threat... Florida is pretty damned diverse Fair. You've got the klan, neo-nazis, moms for liberty, white lives matter, goyim defense league, natsoc florida, and of course the patriot front. That's pretty diverse. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-sunshine-state-extremism-antisemitism-florida-2020-2022 https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-sunshine-state-ext... Even if you were anywhere near correct, Florida is still being run by one man culture war. That shit desantis is pulling? That's not media hyperbole, that's not memes, they're the law of the land. Why would I want to put down roots somewhere that leads the nation in book banning? Or that looked at a shortage of teachers and thought that lowering (well, eliminating) standards was more appropriate than improving conditions? Why would I set down roots somewhere where the government is trying to legislate the opposition party out of existence? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/apr/20/ron-desantis-florida-electoral-map-gerrymandering-republican-advantage https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/apr/... Let's not forget SB1718. I guess that wasn't really meant to be actionable? Just intended to keep the darkies in line? I've gotta figure that the NAACP and HRC are onto something with their travel advisories, but then again I never did buy the "big bad media" myth that you're trying to sell. Florida is an environment that's openly hostile to people who aren't white, heterosexual, christian men. Don't complain when people who aren't in that demographic avoid or leave Florida.
  - kcplate 3y ago
    Nowhere did I say it was acceptable. I refered to them as idiots and assholes. Also nowhere did I complain that people were leaving the state for that reason. What I said, since you seem hell bent on a straw man argument tactic, was that the population of Florida was large and diverse and the number of neo-nazi assholes are so few that in 45 years of living here I have encountered maybe 3. But hey your opinion so formed from apparently zero practical experience and only the political commentary and news commentary that you read should certainly keep you away. The growing intentional increase of population in the state, including quite ironically to this conversation, several of my non-white, non-Christian, non-male, and in one case, non-heterosexual remote working coworkers who could live literally anywhere…have chosen to disagree with your assessment of the diversity and friendly nature of the state.
    - wyclif 3y ago
      Anybody who forms their opinion of any US state from papers like the Guardian UK instead of actually, you know, visiting the state in question usually results in people developing very stupid and ill-conceived impressions. It's as if there are a group of urbanites who form their impression of Florida entirely from Florida Man memes.
      - inferiorhuman 3y ago
        Anybody who forms their opinion of any US state from papers like the Guardian UK instead of actually, you know, visiting the state in question usually results in people developing very stupid and ill-conceived impressions. It's as if there are a group of urbanites who form their impression of Florida entirely from Florida Man memes. How's that saying go? When you assume you make an ass out of you? Yeah. I've been to Florida. As far north as Jacksonville and as far south as Key West. It's almost as if you're trying to ignore the litany of hate groups that are festering in Florida because it doesn't fit your narrative. But, here, have a couple more sources on the vile gerrymandering. Even the courts have pointed out how racist the desantis redistricting was. But, sure, hang your hat on your fear of the Guardian. https://www.propublica.org/article/ron-desantis-florida-redistricting-map-scheme https://www.propublica.org/article/ron-desantis-florida-redi... https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/florida/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps...