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> These conspiracy theories lead to a marked rise in violent attacks on anyone of Asian descent in the US, It should be noted that the statistics don't support

> These conspiracy theories lead to a marked rise in violent attacks on anyone of Asian descent in the US, It should be noted that the statistics don't support the media narrative and there was no wave of white supremacist attacks on Asians. Here are the stats from New York ("Arrest Statistics by Bias Motivation"): https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/hate-crimes.page https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/hate-cr...

djbusby 3y ago
This article from the Guardian says there was an uptick https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/21/asian-americans-hate-incidents-study https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/21/asian-americ...
- justaman 3y ago
  There was an uptick but its taboo to talk about the demographic.
speff 3y ago
From your own link "hate-crime-complaints-by-motivation-annual" 2020 vs 2021: +Anti-Asian 2019: 1 Anti-Asian 2020: 27 Anti-Asian 2021: 131 *+ Edit: Added 2019 as suggested below
- naasking 3y ago
  Looks like there was a general increase in complaints as lockdowns eased. From the data, there were upticks in anti-jewish, anti-gay, anti-muslim and more. Asians still saw relatively more of an uptick than other motivations.
  - throwawaymaths 3y ago
    That could be an increase in reporting. After all you'd expect the uptick to happen in 2020-- it was COVID-19 after all. Also worth to know that anti-asian hate was also a narrative pushed by the CPC to label things like supporting Hong Kong democracy protests or criticizing uighur genocide as "anti-asian hate", which happened after the CPC noticed the effectiveness of BLM protests in sowing us discord (mid-2020) so to trust any stats post 2020 it would at least need to segregate the two use cases.
  - zolland 3y ago
    This is maybe more interesting. Anti-Asian 2019: 0.2% Anti-Asian 2020: 10% Anti-Asian 2021: 25% EDIT: Regarding an uptick in anti-jewish etc. Anti-Jewish 2019: 57% Anti-Jewish 2020: 43% Anti-Jewish 2021: 37%
    - naasking 3y ago
      I take it these are percentages of all complaints? Because the number of complaints for anti-Jewish hate crimes was 116 in 2020, but 198 in 2021, so a definite increase, but hate crime overall basically doubled as well, so the relative amount to the total is lower.
      - zolland 3y ago
        yes that is what the trend I posted shows.
      - account42 3y ago
        > complaints for hate crimes > hate crime These are not the same thing and especially when comparing over time you need to take into account how the definitions for the categories themselves change.
- heliodor 3y ago
  Shouldn't you be looking for these numbers as a percent of total crime?
- jibe 3y ago
  You should be comparing 2019 to 2020. 2019 is the pre-covid default state. 2020 is when covid rhetoric was hot. 2021 is Vaccines and Biden is president 2019 stats are in the archive at the bottom of the page. I’d pull them but on a phone.
  - speff 3y ago
    Good call. I was going to, but for some reason I didn't see the report in 2019 when checking. Edited into the original comment
  - croes 3y ago
    How long does it take from pent-up anger and rhetoric to action? 2021 values could be the result of 2020's rhetoric.
  - brewdad 3y ago
    Worth noting the west coast states with larger Asian populations were largely "locked down" in 2020. Schools didn't reopen until 2021. 2020 didn't have as many opportunities for individual interactions that could lead to such crimes.
- peppermint_gum 3y ago
  Arrests involving Anti-Asian hate crime incidents in 2020: BLACK: 11 (55%) WHITE HISPANIC: 5 (25%) BLACK HISPANIC: 2 (10%) WHITE: 2 (10%) Total: 20 2021: BLACK: 31 (53%) HISPANIC: 15 (26%) WHITE: 7 (12%) ASIAN / PACIFIC ISLANDER: 5 (8%) UNKNOWN: 1 (2%) Total: 59 2022: BLACK: 39 (49%) WHITE HISPANIC: 20 (25%) WHITE: 17 (22%) ASIAN / PACIFIC ISLANDER: 2 (3%) BLACK HISPANIC: 1 (1%) Total: 79
- lobocinza 3y ago
  How come those numbers could be used to support anti-ethical policies, to not say outright conspiracy, that prevented the elucidation of a pandemic that decimated millions?
doom2 3y ago
As a personal anecdote, living as an Asian in a US city with a population over 1M people, I definitely saw a change in peoples' stance towards Asians in general and Chinese in particular, and not in a good way. There was a lot more suspicion about Asians, their businesses, etc. It wasn't the same level of suspicion as during post-9/11 America but it had a similar vibe. A lot of dog whistling with sentiments like, "I'm criticizing the Chinese government, not the Chinese people." (spoiler alert: it was both) Maybe that didn't result in violent crime, but it was not (and still isn't) a good time to be Chinese or display pride in one's Chinese heritage. I hope one day we can look back at this period and think about how to better critically think about these things without applying personal biases and fears to a whole population.
- ifyoubuildit 3y ago
  Sorry you had to go through that. But I have to ask about this: > A lot of dog whistling with sentiments like, "I'm criticizing the Chinese government, not the Chinese people." (spoiler alert: it was both) Did you have some extra context there? Or do you just assume that anyone criticizing the ccp is also criticizing chinese people? Because I feel like that's a reasonable stance towards any nation. It seems like sometimes people aggressively read between the lines (probably because of real past experiences with shitty people), and it makes it so that reasonable people now can't express reasonable ideas and have other people understand what they're actually saying. I especially notice this in online forums where some topics have been discussed in depth by a subset of the population. Through all that discussion, they've basically invented a whole field of study, and turned everyday phrases into jargon with unintuitive subtext. Then someone new comes along, says something that seems completely innocuous, and the community jumps on them for the subtext that they're not even aware exists.
- TurkishPoptart 3y ago
  >A lot of dog whistling with sentiments like, "I'm criticizing the Chinese government, not the Chinese people." This is a reasonable thing to say. I think mainland Chinese are oppressed by the Chinese Communist Party, and I hope I live to see the end of this cruel regime.
- bart_spoon 3y ago
status200 3y ago
Which data points are you referencing from your source? There is a spike YOY between 2019 to 2020. Annual for 2019: 1 out of 420 Annual for 2020: 27 out of 265 Is that not enough of a percentage increase for you? Edit: Apologies for not seeing the other users' replies who have already made this point.
yieldcrv 3y ago
They didn’t say white supremacist attacks You’re conflating hate crime with white on everyone else hate crime and the law (and stats) don't reflect that You went as far as to add those words, which is fascinating to say the least

djbusby 3y ago

This article from the Guardian says there was an uptick https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/21/asian-americans-hate-incidents-study https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/21/asian-americ...

justaman 3y ago
There was an uptick but its taboo to talk about the demographic.

speff 3y ago

From your own link "hate-crime-complaints-by-motivation-annual" 2020 vs 2021: +Anti-Asian 2019: 1 Anti-Asian 2020: 27 Anti-Asian 2021: 131 *+ Edit: Added 2019 as suggested below

naasking 3y ago
Looks like there was a general increase in complaints as lockdowns eased. From the data, there were upticks in anti-jewish, anti-gay, anti-muslim and more. Asians still saw relatively more of an uptick than other motivations.
- throwawaymaths 3y ago
  That could be an increase in reporting. After all you'd expect the uptick to happen in 2020-- it was COVID-19 after all. Also worth to know that anti-asian hate was also a narrative pushed by the CPC to label things like supporting Hong Kong democracy protests or criticizing uighur genocide as "anti-asian hate", which happened after the CPC noticed the effectiveness of BLM protests in sowing us discord (mid-2020) so to trust any stats post 2020 it would at least need to segregate the two use cases.
- zolland 3y ago
  This is maybe more interesting. Anti-Asian 2019: 0.2% Anti-Asian 2020: 10% Anti-Asian 2021: 25% EDIT: Regarding an uptick in anti-jewish etc. Anti-Jewish 2019: 57% Anti-Jewish 2020: 43% Anti-Jewish 2021: 37%
  - naasking 3y ago
    I take it these are percentages of all complaints? Because the number of complaints for anti-Jewish hate crimes was 116 in 2020, but 198 in 2021, so a definite increase, but hate crime overall basically doubled as well, so the relative amount to the total is lower.
    - zolland 3y ago
      yes that is what the trend I posted shows.
    - account42 3y ago
      > complaints for hate crimes > hate crime These are not the same thing and especially when comparing over time you need to take into account how the definitions for the categories themselves change.
heliodor 3y ago
Shouldn't you be looking for these numbers as a percent of total crime?
jibe 3y ago
You should be comparing 2019 to 2020. 2019 is the pre-covid default state. 2020 is when covid rhetoric was hot. 2021 is Vaccines and Biden is president 2019 stats are in the archive at the bottom of the page. I’d pull them but on a phone.
- speff 3y ago
  Good call. I was going to, but for some reason I didn't see the report in 2019 when checking. Edited into the original comment
- croes 3y ago
  How long does it take from pent-up anger and rhetoric to action? 2021 values could be the result of 2020's rhetoric.
- brewdad 3y ago
  Worth noting the west coast states with larger Asian populations were largely "locked down" in 2020. Schools didn't reopen until 2021. 2020 didn't have as many opportunities for individual interactions that could lead to such crimes.
peppermint_gum 3y ago
Arrests involving Anti-Asian hate crime incidents in 2020: BLACK: 11 (55%) WHITE HISPANIC: 5 (25%) BLACK HISPANIC: 2 (10%) WHITE: 2 (10%) Total: 20 2021: BLACK: 31 (53%) HISPANIC: 15 (26%) WHITE: 7 (12%) ASIAN / PACIFIC ISLANDER: 5 (8%) UNKNOWN: 1 (2%) Total: 59 2022: BLACK: 39 (49%) WHITE HISPANIC: 20 (25%) WHITE: 17 (22%) ASIAN / PACIFIC ISLANDER: 2 (3%) BLACK HISPANIC: 1 (1%) Total: 79
lobocinza 3y ago
How come those numbers could be used to support anti-ethical policies, to not say outright conspiracy, that prevented the elucidation of a pandemic that decimated millions?

doom2 3y ago

As a personal anecdote, living as an Asian in a US city with a population over 1M people, I definitely saw a change in peoples' stance towards Asians in general and Chinese in particular, and not in a good way. There was a lot more suspicion about Asians, their businesses, etc. It wasn't the same level of suspicion as during post-9/11 America but it had a similar vibe. A lot of dog whistling with sentiments like, "I'm criticizing the Chinese government, not the Chinese people." (spoiler alert: it was both) Maybe that didn't result in violent crime, but it was not (and still isn't) a good time to be Chinese or display pride in one's Chinese heritage. I hope one day we can look back at this period and think about how to better critically think about these things without applying personal biases and fears to a whole population.

ifyoubuildit 3y ago
Sorry you had to go through that. But I have to ask about this: > A lot of dog whistling with sentiments like, "I'm criticizing the Chinese government, not the Chinese people." (spoiler alert: it was both) Did you have some extra context there? Or do you just assume that anyone criticizing the ccp is also criticizing chinese people? Because I feel like that's a reasonable stance towards any nation. It seems like sometimes people aggressively read between the lines (probably because of real past experiences with shitty people), and it makes it so that reasonable people now can't express reasonable ideas and have other people understand what they're actually saying. I especially notice this in online forums where some topics have been discussed in depth by a subset of the population. Through all that discussion, they've basically invented a whole field of study, and turned everyday phrases into jargon with unintuitive subtext. Then someone new comes along, says something that seems completely innocuous, and the community jumps on them for the subtext that they're not even aware exists.
TurkishPoptart 3y ago
>A lot of dog whistling with sentiments like, "I'm criticizing the Chinese government, not the Chinese people." This is a reasonable thing to say. I think mainland Chinese are oppressed by the Chinese Communist Party, and I hope I live to see the end of this cruel regime.
bart_spoon 3y ago

status200 3y ago

Which data points are you referencing from your source? There is a spike YOY between 2019 to 2020. Annual for 2019: 1 out of 420 Annual for 2020: 27 out of 265 Is that not enough of a percentage increase for you? Edit: Apologies for not seeing the other users' replies who have already made this point.

yieldcrv 3y ago

They didn’t say white supremacist attacks You’re conflating hate crime with white on everyone else hate crime and the law (and stats) don't reflect that You went as far as to add those words, which is fascinating to say the least