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> speculation about the crew or passengers being taken hostage (!) Russia is a terrorist state, run by war criminals that has engaged in genocide, horrific hum

by sofixa 3y ago

> speculation about the crew or passengers being taken hostage (!) Russia is a terrorist state, run by war criminals that has engaged in genocide, horrific human rights abuses, where rule of law doesn't matter. Yes, them kidnapping civilians isn't out of the question because they literally kidnap children en masse from the neighbour they've invaded. > Russia impounding/stealing the aircraft It's not like they didn't do that after the beginning of the war, so it wasn't a crazy thing to be fearful of Russia pulling off. What made that unlikely was the fact that it's an Indian airliner; if it was an American one, I wouldn't have been surprised if they did decide to steal it. https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/russia-must-return-over-400-stolen-airplanes-meps-demand/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/russia-m... > they really present no barrier to getting the aircraft fixed Except for all those listed in the article, such as a full engine replacement being hard to do at an airport not equipped for it, the engine being very hard to ship because it only fits on 2 plane models, with very few operators available, etc. Just because the repairs turned out to be quick doesn't mean that a full engine replacement wouldn't have been a significant multi-week undertaking.

vGPU 3y ago
>US is a terrorist state, run by war criminals that has engaged in genocide, horrific human rights abuses, where rule of law doesn't matter. Yes, them kidnapping civilians isn't out of the question Oh dear. Anyone remember Guantánamo? Tuskegee? The Rwandan genocide?
- sofixa 3y ago
  If whataboutism is the best defence of Russia you can come up with, you're not denying anything, right? Once that's out of the way and we've cleared that indeed Russia is a terrorist state committing a genocide, we can also discuss the now lone superpower. The US indeed has committed a lot of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib are more relevant than the Tuskagee experiments which ended 50 years ago. However the US hasn't actually perpetrated a genocide, unlike Russia which is actively engaged in one as a matter of state policy. The Rwandan genocide, complicit as the US and other countries such as France and Belgium may be, was perpetrated and organised by Rwandans against other Rwandans. Comparing the two is useful to an extent, but excusing Russia's actions with "well the US does something vaguely similar on a small scale, so that's all fine" is bullshit. Also, comparing rule of law in Russia vs US is.. laughable. Feel free to share examples of dissidents being murdered brutally in broad daylight recently with no consequences.
  - vGPU 3y ago
    I beg to differ. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-history-riddled-with-massacres-genocide/2261696 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-history-riddled-with-ma...
    - sofixa 3y ago
      A Turkish source pissed off because Biden recognised the historical facts and existence of the Armenian genocide, I'm sure that's completely and totally unbiased. And still, nothing to refute that Russia is a genocidal terrorist state, right? Apart from the genocide against Native Americans, the rest are just highly deadly wars with civilian casualties. In no other scenario was the goal of American intervention/occupation/invasion to annihilate a group of people, which is a necessary qualifier from the Genocide convention for something to be considered a genocide: > In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such Source: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml Which is why the Armenian Genocide is a genocide. The Turkish government, mostly led by some of the most incompetent people to walk this planet, blamed Armenians for their own incompetence, and ordered and enticed forced marches, massacres, etc. Nothing new for the barbaric Ottoman regime, after all this was done numerous times against practically all peoples occupied by the Ottomans, only this time ot was on such a scale that most Armenians were murdered (estimates vary, between 800,000 and 1.5 million, out of a pre-war population of between 1.1 and 2.1 million people).
jhugo 3y ago
> Except for all those listed in the article, such as a full engine replacement being hard to do at an airport not equipped for it, the engine being very hard to ship because it only fits on 2 plane models, with very few operators available, etc. Just because the repairs turned out to be quick doesn't mean that a full engine replacement wouldn't have been a significant multi-week undertaking. Hence why I said: "the logistical challenges if it had required an engine change are certainly real, though." It's still the case that all of those logistical challenges were considered when Air India decided to continue flying over Russia, it's not some kind of movie-plot "oh shit" moment when a diversion inevitably happens.

by sofixa 3y ago

vGPU 3y ago

>US is a terrorist state, run by war criminals that has engaged in genocide, horrific human rights abuses, where rule of law doesn't matter. Yes, them kidnapping civilians isn't out of the question Oh dear. Anyone remember Guantánamo? Tuskegee? The Rwandan genocide?

sofixa 3y ago
If whataboutism is the best defence of Russia you can come up with, you're not denying anything, right? Once that's out of the way and we've cleared that indeed Russia is a terrorist state committing a genocide, we can also discuss the now lone superpower. The US indeed has committed a lot of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib are more relevant than the Tuskagee experiments which ended 50 years ago. However the US hasn't actually perpetrated a genocide, unlike Russia which is actively engaged in one as a matter of state policy. The Rwandan genocide, complicit as the US and other countries such as France and Belgium may be, was perpetrated and organised by Rwandans against other Rwandans. Comparing the two is useful to an extent, but excusing Russia's actions with "well the US does something vaguely similar on a small scale, so that's all fine" is bullshit. Also, comparing rule of law in Russia vs US is.. laughable. Feel free to share examples of dissidents being murdered brutally in broad daylight recently with no consequences.
- vGPU 3y ago
  I beg to differ. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-history-riddled-with-massacres-genocide/2261696 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-history-riddled-with-ma...
  - sofixa 3y ago
    A Turkish source pissed off because Biden recognised the historical facts and existence of the Armenian genocide, I'm sure that's completely and totally unbiased. And still, nothing to refute that Russia is a genocidal terrorist state, right? Apart from the genocide against Native Americans, the rest are just highly deadly wars with civilian casualties. In no other scenario was the goal of American intervention/occupation/invasion to annihilate a group of people, which is a necessary qualifier from the Genocide convention for something to be considered a genocide: > In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such Source: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml Which is why the Armenian Genocide is a genocide. The Turkish government, mostly led by some of the most incompetent people to walk this planet, blamed Armenians for their own incompetence, and ordered and enticed forced marches, massacres, etc. Nothing new for the barbaric Ottoman regime, after all this was done numerous times against practically all peoples occupied by the Ottomans, only this time ot was on such a scale that most Armenians were murdered (estimates vary, between 800,000 and 1.5 million, out of a pre-war population of between 1.1 and 2.1 million people).

jhugo 3y ago

> Except for all those listed in the article, such as a full engine replacement being hard to do at an airport not equipped for it, the engine being very hard to ship because it only fits on 2 plane models, with very few operators available, etc. Just because the repairs turned out to be quick doesn't mean that a full engine replacement wouldn't have been a significant multi-week undertaking. Hence why I said: "the logistical challenges if it had required an engine change are certainly real, though." It's still the case that all of those logistical challenges were considered when Air India decided to continue flying over Russia, it's not some kind of movie-plot "oh shit" moment when a diversion inevitably happens.