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Housing affordability and supply is a massive issue in Ireland too. I'm not sure there's NOT an EU major city that isn't having this problem. Lisbon citizens a

Housing affordability and supply is a massive issue in Ireland too. I'm not sure there's NOT an EU major city that isn't having this problem. Lisbon citizens are being priced out of their own city by people with the same plan as you. So you can solve your problem by leaving the UK but then you just create a problem for someone else. I don't think there's a solution to this problem until people start living on boats.

diarmuidc 3y ago
Yeah there is a solution. Build more housing. It's a political issue and nothing more
- secondcoming 3y ago
  Ya turn the country into one massive council estate. Brilliant. I'd rather live on a boat
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    We're far away from any country becoming a housing estate.
- piva00 3y ago
  Of course it's a political issue. Policies on housing ownership have pushed housing as an investment to normal people for decades, as something that will, almost certainly, go up in value. Many, many people have bought a house they might not even be very happy with just for the sake of parking their money in a "safe investment" that they can live inside in the meantime, until they can sell and purchase the next one, rinse and repeat. If you want to crash prices by building more housing then you'll have a lot of angry common people who are paying a lot for their mortgages which will go under water, of course these people will push as much as possible, politically speaking, for that to not happen. Personally I'd be extremely happy if more housing is built and housing prices are pushed down but we can't deny that the reality of policies that took us here, those policies were wrong, housing should have never been part of a speculative market and been traded as another kind of commodity. It's not a commodity, it's not a pure asset, it's shelter for humans, economical policies thought by and implemented by ideologues pushed down our throats that housing is just like any other tradable asset... And now we have a lot of people that would never want to see prices go down because they will lose their life savings. So yes, how can this not be political? Saying that it's a "political issue and nothing more" is like denying the reality that it is political, there's no other way. You can't remove the political aspect of this issue, there's no "just build more housing" without the parties/politicians that implement it being absolutely hated by a segment of society. Would you still vote for a party that enacts policies that make your life investments lose 50% of value? In a democracy most things are political, that's the hard part of the solution for most social issues...
silon42 3y ago
I'd rather have a trailer/minivan rather than rent with no chance of ownership.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  Wóz Drzymały for the modern age. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drzyma%C5%82a%27s_wagon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drzyma%C5%82a%27s_wagon
rcarr 3y ago
I’m planning on living in a house share and I’ll be working my arse off and contributing to whatever community I become a part of, I’m not convinced I’m a massive part of the problem. The solution to the problem is to build more houses regardless of what NIMBYs say combined with an exponential property tax to effectively make being a mass landlord unprofitable which should lead to a flood of properties on the market.
- theironhammer 3y ago
  Agreed with the build more but u have to somehow prevent the speculators from snapping up all the new builds. Vancouver built tons of housing and it was snapped up by foreign buyers and locals for second and third homes to speculate on. By the way Canada is a lot like the UK regarding the elite just effing everything up up for the plebs.
red-iron-pine 3y ago
> I don't think there's a solution to this problem until people start living on boats. Less people, globally or nationally. the japanese may be on to something here. Less corporate ownership of housing Higher taxes on houses after your first Constructing more housing Banning dubious actors from the market, e.g. Chinese or Saudi wealth funds

diarmuidc 3y ago

Yeah there is a solution. Build more housing. It's a political issue and nothing more

secondcoming 3y ago
Ya turn the country into one massive council estate. Brilliant. I'd rather live on a boat
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  We're far away from any country becoming a housing estate.
piva00 3y ago
Of course it's a political issue. Policies on housing ownership have pushed housing as an investment to normal people for decades, as something that will, almost certainly, go up in value. Many, many people have bought a house they might not even be very happy with just for the sake of parking their money in a "safe investment" that they can live inside in the meantime, until they can sell and purchase the next one, rinse and repeat. If you want to crash prices by building more housing then you'll have a lot of angry common people who are paying a lot for their mortgages which will go under water, of course these people will push as much as possible, politically speaking, for that to not happen. Personally I'd be extremely happy if more housing is built and housing prices are pushed down but we can't deny that the reality of policies that took us here, those policies were wrong, housing should have never been part of a speculative market and been traded as another kind of commodity. It's not a commodity, it's not a pure asset, it's shelter for humans, economical policies thought by and implemented by ideologues pushed down our throats that housing is just like any other tradable asset... And now we have a lot of people that would never want to see prices go down because they will lose their life savings. So yes, how can this not be political? Saying that it's a "political issue and nothing more" is like denying the reality that it is political, there's no other way. You can't remove the political aspect of this issue, there's no "just build more housing" without the parties/politicians that implement it being absolutely hated by a segment of society. Would you still vote for a party that enacts policies that make your life investments lose 50% of value? In a democracy most things are political, that's the hard part of the solution for most social issues...

silon42 3y ago

I'd rather have a trailer/minivan rather than rent with no chance of ownership.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
Wóz Drzymały for the modern age. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drzyma%C5%82a%27s_wagon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drzyma%C5%82a%27s_wagon

rcarr 3y ago

I’m planning on living in a house share and I’ll be working my arse off and contributing to whatever community I become a part of, I’m not convinced I’m a massive part of the problem. The solution to the problem is to build more houses regardless of what NIMBYs say combined with an exponential property tax to effectively make being a mass landlord unprofitable which should lead to a flood of properties on the market.

theironhammer 3y ago
Agreed with the build more but u have to somehow prevent the speculators from snapping up all the new builds. Vancouver built tons of housing and it was snapped up by foreign buyers and locals for second and third homes to speculate on. By the way Canada is a lot like the UK regarding the elite just effing everything up up for the plebs.

red-iron-pine 3y ago

> I don't think there's a solution to this problem until people start living on boats. Less people, globally or nationally. the japanese may be on to something here. Less corporate ownership of housing Higher taxes on houses after your first Constructing more housing Banning dubious actors from the market, e.g. Chinese or Saudi wealth funds