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> in which there were no good choices to vote for: either corrupt Berlusconi or Communists (who were also corrupt). That's a pretty bad description of the situ

> in which there were no good choices to vote for: either corrupt Berlusconi or Communists (who were also corrupt). That's a pretty bad description of the situation in Italy. First of all we (I am from Italy, I voted in 1994 when Berlusconi bootstrapped his political career) have a large number of parties. In 1994 there were at least 20 symbols grouped in 2 main coalitions. Secondly, the communist were already a thing of the past, they dissolved in 3 different groups in 1992, but communists in Italy have a strong tradition and have been the backbone of our democracy. Last but not least, the left in Italy is divided in an infinite number of movements and parties, communists were historically the largest one but Italy has a Socialist party that is separated from the Communists. p.s. corruption of the Communists (as a political party) has never been proved anywhere.

gpderetta 3y ago
Incidentally, many Socialist refugees that managed not to get jailed during the Mani Pulite purges, ended up in Berlusconi's party. Incidentally Incidentally, Berlusconi was really a man of equal opportunities: he didn't really care about your beliefs, political background, gender or sexual orientation, as long as you could help him get more power, money, or at least keep him out of jail.
- hulitu 3y ago
  > was really a man of equal opportunities: he didn't really care about your beliefs, political background, gender or sexual orientation, as long as you could help him get more power, money This is the perfect definition of a politician. And sadly it applies to 99% of them in a "democracy".
- peoplefromibiza 3y ago
  > Incidentally, many Socialist refugees that managed not to get jailed during the Mani Pulite purges, It wasn't really a purge, anyway not so many, just those that were on the Bettino Craxi's side, who was close friend with Berlusconi, who was best man in the second Berlusconi's marriage, a man who's considered the one who ruined the Italian Socialist Party beyond recover. Proof is the two Craxi's sons: Stefania ended up with the center-right coalition, Bobo with the center left and he's still member of the PSI (Italian Socialist Party) > Berlusconi was really a man of equal opportunities That's a bit romantic. He had a lot of help from corrupted politicians and organized crime. He simply escaped justice for enough time to make the narrative of the political victim stick.
  - gpderetta 3y ago
    >> Berlusconi was really a man of equal opportunities >That's a bit romantic. To be clear, my description was very much tongue in cheek. The man had no discernable sense of morals. He very brazenly allied to whomever he needed to further his interests. For example he was always very friendly with Putin and I wouldn't be surprised if a Russian exile was always an open option if things went south at home.

gpderetta 3y ago

Incidentally, many Socialist refugees that managed not to get jailed during the Mani Pulite purges, ended up in Berlusconi's party. Incidentally Incidentally, Berlusconi was really a man of equal opportunities: he didn't really care about your beliefs, political background, gender or sexual orientation, as long as you could help him get more power, money, or at least keep him out of jail.

hulitu 3y ago
> was really a man of equal opportunities: he didn't really care about your beliefs, political background, gender or sexual orientation, as long as you could help him get more power, money This is the perfect definition of a politician. And sadly it applies to 99% of them in a "democracy".
peoplefromibiza 3y ago
> Incidentally, many Socialist refugees that managed not to get jailed during the Mani Pulite purges, It wasn't really a purge, anyway not so many, just those that were on the Bettino Craxi's side, who was close friend with Berlusconi, who was best man in the second Berlusconi's marriage, a man who's considered the one who ruined the Italian Socialist Party beyond recover. Proof is the two Craxi's sons: Stefania ended up with the center-right coalition, Bobo with the center left and he's still member of the PSI (Italian Socialist Party) > Berlusconi was really a man of equal opportunities That's a bit romantic. He had a lot of help from corrupted politicians and organized crime. He simply escaped justice for enough time to make the narrative of the political victim stick.
- gpderetta 3y ago
  >> Berlusconi was really a man of equal opportunities >That's a bit romantic. To be clear, my description was very much tongue in cheek. The man had no discernable sense of morals. He very brazenly allied to whomever he needed to further his interests. For example he was always very friendly with Putin and I wouldn't be surprised if a Russian exile was always an open option if things went south at home.