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Or they can continue their failed attempts at using chatgpt to astroturf a counter-movement, lol: https://i.imgur.com/4e9jO7P.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4e9jO7P.jp

Or they can continue their failed attempts at using chatgpt to astroturf a counter-movement, lol: https://i.imgur.com/4e9jO7P.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4e9jO7P.jpg Edit, some context: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/146wn9s/comment/jnsfcfi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/146wn9s/commen... (spez / reddit ceo is a mod on r/programming, hence it still being up)

nikau 3y ago
How Do You Do Fellow Kids, that allegation is clearly false.
MortimerDukePhD 3y ago
> spez / reddit ceo is a mod on r/programming How is it possible that these companies are still run like an immature dorm room shitshow? Are there no separation of duties? The CEO should not have admin access to anything (the very least for security purposes).
- alexruf 3y ago
  I guess you brought it right to the point: Reddit has never grown to a company it’s „dorm room shitshow“
  - madeofpalk 3y ago
    Isn't "reddit isn't a real company, it's a dorm room shitshow" supposed to be the appeal of reddit? A 'real company' wouldn't have a free-for-all API to allow third parties to leach their ad revenue.
    - sofixa 3y ago
      > A 'real company' wouldn't have a free-for-all API to allow third parties to leach their ad revenue. Or they might have realised that third parties are crucial to their success (they have the stats, they know what % of traffic, commenters, power users, etc. are using third-party apps) and instead added more constraints around the API, like also serving ads (like Telegram), lower rate limits for unauthenticated users, forcing oauth etc. Instead of going the nuclear path of making any third party downright unviable and thus forcing them to shutdown.
  - lt 3y ago
    Recently I read Reddit has over 2000 employees. I can’t begin to imagine what they possibly do.
- tirpen 3y ago
  spez even infamously abused his admin access to edit another posters comment a while back. Calling it a dorm room shitshow is an insult to dorm rooms everywhere.
  - astrange 3y ago
    He was correct to do this, because it was funny. Any true longtime forum poster would recognize this. (Conversely, if it wasn't funny, he should've done it differently.) Although doing Lowtax things may lead to turning into Lowtax, which is probably bad. I can certainly tell you it's not a serious problem, because it'd be illegal if it was. All serious problems with websites are revenue issues or legal issues.
    - aerio 3y ago
      It wasn't funny, and he didn't make any jokes. He edited "fuck spez" comments to remove spez and substitute other mods. Fuck r/the_donald - but that's just blatant admin power misuse to deflect criticism. Very topical with all the "fuck u/spez" comments going around these days. https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-edit-comments https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-stev...
      - astrange 3y ago
        Admin abuse is inherently funny. It's like slapstick. It was funny on SA when the users paid to sign up in the first place, and it can only be more so when they're not even paying customers. Should've made it a wordfilter though. Those are more participatory. (You won't take this advice, which is why I've run a large popular internet forum before and you haven't.)
        Algent 3y ago
        I completely agree, when he did that is was pretty funny (but a little pathetic he didn't dare to ban these users or this sub, either for money or political reasons). Users reacted poorly and "shocked" site wide somehow that an admin could exerts admin right and edit database which as a sysadmin made me laugh a lot because I get occasional similar ones from our users when we do admin stuff.
nyberg 3y ago
So does this means their astroturfing bot is open to prompt injection?
stavros 3y ago
I don't know what happened with r/programming (I couldn't find the mod channel), but I just took it private, assuming the other mods just forgot about it. Then again, it's spez's subreddit, so maybe he wants it public (in which case he can just flip it back).
- wsabihi 3y ago
  Could you please update the message to "This subreddit is temporarily private as part of a joint protest to Reddit's recent API changes, which breaks third-party apps and moderation tools, effectively forcing users to use the official Reddit app." to raise awareness for the reason you took it private? That would be really helpful!
  - stavros 3y ago
    Hm, I don't see where I can set that, sadly. I don't see a customizable message when I visit the subreddit incognito, either, just a "this is private". Given that nobody has reverted the change, I assume they'd just forgotten to do it in the first place.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  Relatedly, I tried checking my comment history on reddit now, and most of its missing (out of a few hundreds (or maybe thousands of comments) there's like ... 15 left. So, my guess is that there's more blowing up with reddit right now than just the blackout.
  - matsemann 3y ago
    I thiiink your comments from subreddits having gone private are hidden from your profile as well.
TeMPOraL 3y ago
> (spez / reddit ceo is a mod on r/programming, hence it still being up) The whole subreddit is down at the moment. I guess the other moderators disagree with the CEO?
ttctciyf 3y ago
> it still being up Must have gone dark in the last two hours, I guess. Clicking on your "context" link gets me: > The moderators of r/programming have set this community to private. Only approved members can view and take part in its discussions. The GPT astroturf fail seems like a worthy story in itself, if it could be stood up - amazing!
- Physkal 3y ago
  All major subreddits are protesting Reddit on jun 12 by going private.
  - djbusby 3y ago
    Not all. Last I looked it was >50% of the top 200 (and like 3000 total)
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - HWR_14 3y ago
      Those numbers are usually computed by subreddits going private. More have left old content up but have blocked new posts/comments. Those have not been reflected in your numbers.

nikau 3y ago

How Do You Do Fellow Kids, that allegation is clearly false.

MortimerDukePhD 3y ago

> spez / reddit ceo is a mod on r/programming How is it possible that these companies are still run like an immature dorm room shitshow? Are there no separation of duties? The CEO should not have admin access to anything (the very least for security purposes).

alexruf 3y ago
I guess you brought it right to the point: Reddit has never grown to a company it’s „dorm room shitshow“
- madeofpalk 3y ago
  Isn't "reddit isn't a real company, it's a dorm room shitshow" supposed to be the appeal of reddit? A 'real company' wouldn't have a free-for-all API to allow third parties to leach their ad revenue.
  - sofixa 3y ago
    > A 'real company' wouldn't have a free-for-all API to allow third parties to leach their ad revenue. Or they might have realised that third parties are crucial to their success (they have the stats, they know what % of traffic, commenters, power users, etc. are using third-party apps) and instead added more constraints around the API, like also serving ads (like Telegram), lower rate limits for unauthenticated users, forcing oauth etc. Instead of going the nuclear path of making any third party downright unviable and thus forcing them to shutdown.
- lt 3y ago
  Recently I read Reddit has over 2000 employees. I can’t begin to imagine what they possibly do.
tirpen 3y ago
spez even infamously abused his admin access to edit another posters comment a while back. Calling it a dorm room shitshow is an insult to dorm rooms everywhere.
- astrange 3y ago
  He was correct to do this, because it was funny. Any true longtime forum poster would recognize this. (Conversely, if it wasn't funny, he should've done it differently.) Although doing Lowtax things may lead to turning into Lowtax, which is probably bad. I can certainly tell you it's not a serious problem, because it'd be illegal if it was. All serious problems with websites are revenue issues or legal issues.
  - aerio 3y ago
    It wasn't funny, and he didn't make any jokes. He edited "fuck spez" comments to remove spez and substitute other mods. Fuck r/the_donald - but that's just blatant admin power misuse to deflect criticism. Very topical with all the "fuck u/spez" comments going around these days. https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-edit-comments https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-stev...
    - astrange 3y ago
      Admin abuse is inherently funny. It's like slapstick. It was funny on SA when the users paid to sign up in the first place, and it can only be more so when they're not even paying customers. Should've made it a wordfilter though. Those are more participatory. (You won't take this advice, which is why I've run a large popular internet forum before and you haven't.)
      - Algent 3y ago
        I completely agree, when he did that is was pretty funny (but a little pathetic he didn't dare to ban these users or this sub, either for money or political reasons). Users reacted poorly and "shocked" site wide somehow that an admin could exerts admin right and edit database which as a sysadmin made me laugh a lot because I get occasional similar ones from our users when we do admin stuff.

nyberg 3y ago

So does this means their astroturfing bot is open to prompt injection?

stavros 3y ago

I don't know what happened with r/programming (I couldn't find the mod channel), but I just took it private, assuming the other mods just forgot about it. Then again, it's spez's subreddit, so maybe he wants it public (in which case he can just flip it back).

wsabihi 3y ago
Could you please update the message to "This subreddit is temporarily private as part of a joint protest to Reddit's recent API changes, which breaks third-party apps and moderation tools, effectively forcing users to use the official Reddit app." to raise awareness for the reason you took it private? That would be really helpful!
- stavros 3y ago
  Hm, I don't see where I can set that, sadly. I don't see a customizable message when I visit the subreddit incognito, either, just a "this is private". Given that nobody has reverted the change, I assume they'd just forgotten to do it in the first place.
lelanthran 3y ago
Relatedly, I tried checking my comment history on reddit now, and most of its missing (out of a few hundreds (or maybe thousands of comments) there's like ... 15 left. So, my guess is that there's more blowing up with reddit right now than just the blackout.
- matsemann 3y ago
  I thiiink your comments from subreddits having gone private are hidden from your profile as well.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

> (spez / reddit ceo is a mod on r/programming, hence it still being up) The whole subreddit is down at the moment. I guess the other moderators disagree with the CEO?

ttctciyf 3y ago

> it still being up Must have gone dark in the last two hours, I guess. Clicking on your "context" link gets me: > The moderators of r/programming have set this community to private. Only approved members can view and take part in its discussions. The GPT astroturf fail seems like a worthy story in itself, if it could be stood up - amazing!

Physkal 3y ago
All major subreddits are protesting Reddit on jun 12 by going private.
- djbusby 3y ago
  Not all. Last I looked it was >50% of the top 200 (and like 3000 total)
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - HWR_14 3y ago
    Those numbers are usually computed by subreddits going private. More have left old content up but have blocked new posts/comments. Those have not been reflected in your numbers.