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West is all about PR and jeopardizing 100s of billions of dollars of trade for few equipments that Air India shifted from India to Russia to help a stranded air

West is all about PR and jeopardizing 100s of billions of dollars of trade for few equipments that Air India shifted from India to Russia to help a stranded airplane is the worst possible thing any politician could do. And what has it to do with GE? The equipment belongs to Air India in India. And just if you don't know, India is not part of US Russia sanctions and trades with both.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> West is all about PR and jeopardizing 100s of billions of dollars of trade for few equipments that Air India shifted from India to Russia to help a stranded airplane is the worst possible thing any politician could do It's not a political decision. It's current law. What Air India would have needed would have been a political decision, a waiver, to an understandable but unforeseen situation. New Delhi would be fine asking for forgiveness if this were military plane. But Air India, a private company, has to deal with other private companies. Do you think Air India's banks want to bet their livelihoods on an ex post facto waiver? Even if (read: when) Air India is given a waiver, the American wire officer who processed their transactions after a known sanctions violation would be in personal jeopardy, legally, professionally and possibly criminally. Same for every engineer who provided support, every courier who knowingly transported parts. > what has it to do with GE? The equipment belongs to Air India in India. The engine on that 777 is made by GE. It has to comply with U.S. law. You don't want every part and service contract with GE and Boeing and who knows who else being held up while you get forgiveness.
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  There is no "law" for this. Stop making things up. Just because GE made the engine doesn't mean that their customers are bound to US policies. Sure, GE could stop selling the engine in the future but the engine that has been sold is Air India's property not GE. Indian policy is to do trade with Russia and that is all that matters here.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    > ure, GE could stop selling the engine in the future but the engine that has been sold is Air India's property not G You do realize engines like this require continuous maintenance, access to parts etc? They couldn't safely operate their fleet for very long without western companies. Risking all of that just so that they wouldn't have to delay the repairs for a few weeks or even months would make zero sense. > Indian policy is to do trade with Russia and that is all that matters here. Air India operates zero Russian airplanes and it's fleet is exclusively made up from Airbus and Boeing jets. There are zero practical reasons for them to want to move away from that now.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > couldn't safely operate their fleet for very long without western companies Nor legally. Overfly regulations generally require minimum standards be met. This is why Iranian and Russian jets are largely confined to domestic service.
      - jhugo 3y ago
        Check out your favorite ADS-B website some time to see the extent of that “domestic service”. Russian regs are frequently in the Middle East, China and South East Asia. Iranian regs operate scheduled service to EU airports and China and also frequently visit South America.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        Hence “largely.” And look at which planes and engines are flowing as well as how they’re owned and serviced. It’s deliberate, costly and not something you voluntarily subject yourself to for the benefit of salvaging a single jet.
        jhugo 3y ago
        The EU flights of Iranian airlines are an example of this, but virtually none of the others are; Iranian aircraft with undoubtedly questionable parts provenance are flying over myriad countries daily on their way to and from East Asia and South America. Your assertion about countries imposing tight standards on overflights really only applies to EU, US and a handful of other countries; most are not really willing / in a position to do so.
qwytw 3y ago
> jeopardizing 100s of billions of dollars of trade Jeopardizing what? There are no real alternatives to Airbus and Boeing and won't be for years. Also at the end it's a signal aircraft which will be fixed and back in service even if might take a few weeks or even months than it would ussually. No need to blow this out of proportion.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> West is all about PR and jeopardizing 100s of billions of dollars of trade for few equipments that Air India shifted from India to Russia to help a stranded airplane is the worst possible thing any politician could do It's not a political decision. It's current law. What Air India would have needed would have been a political decision, a waiver, to an understandable but unforeseen situation. New Delhi would be fine asking for forgiveness if this were military plane. But Air India, a private company, has to deal with other private companies. Do you think Air India's banks want to bet their livelihoods on an ex post facto waiver? Even if (read: when) Air India is given a waiver, the American wire officer who processed their transactions after a known sanctions violation would be in personal jeopardy, legally, professionally and possibly criminally. Same for every engineer who provided support, every courier who knowingly transported parts. > what has it to do with GE? The equipment belongs to Air India in India. The engine on that 777 is made by GE. It has to comply with U.S. law. You don't want every part and service contract with GE and Boeing and who knows who else being held up while you get forgiveness.

YetAnotherNick 3y ago
There is no "law" for this. Stop making things up. Just because GE made the engine doesn't mean that their customers are bound to US policies. Sure, GE could stop selling the engine in the future but the engine that has been sold is Air India's property not GE. Indian policy is to do trade with Russia and that is all that matters here.
- qwytw 3y ago
  > ure, GE could stop selling the engine in the future but the engine that has been sold is Air India's property not G You do realize engines like this require continuous maintenance, access to parts etc? They couldn't safely operate their fleet for very long without western companies. Risking all of that just so that they wouldn't have to delay the repairs for a few weeks or even months would make zero sense. > Indian policy is to do trade with Russia and that is all that matters here. Air India operates zero Russian airplanes and it's fleet is exclusively made up from Airbus and Boeing jets. There are zero practical reasons for them to want to move away from that now.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > couldn't safely operate their fleet for very long without western companies Nor legally. Overfly regulations generally require minimum standards be met. This is why Iranian and Russian jets are largely confined to domestic service.
    - jhugo 3y ago
      Check out your favorite ADS-B website some time to see the extent of that “domestic service”. Russian regs are frequently in the Middle East, China and South East Asia. Iranian regs operate scheduled service to EU airports and China and also frequently visit South America.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        Hence “largely.” And look at which planes and engines are flowing as well as how they’re owned and serviced. It’s deliberate, costly and not something you voluntarily subject yourself to for the benefit of salvaging a single jet.
        jhugo 3y ago
        The EU flights of Iranian airlines are an example of this, but virtually none of the others are; Iranian aircraft with undoubtedly questionable parts provenance are flying over myriad countries daily on their way to and from East Asia and South America. Your assertion about countries imposing tight standards on overflights really only applies to EU, US and a handful of other countries; most are not really willing / in a position to do so.

qwytw 3y ago

> jeopardizing 100s of billions of dollars of trade Jeopardizing what? There are no real alternatives to Airbus and Boeing and won't be for years. Also at the end it's a signal aircraft which will be fixed and back in service even if might take a few weeks or even months than it would ussually. No need to blow this out of proportion.