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>The problem is that the human body isn't wired for losing weight. Complete nonsense. Obesity was never an issue in human society before the 60s. No, this is d

>The problem is that the human body isn't wired for losing weight. Complete nonsense. Obesity was never an issue in human society before the 60s. No, this is definitely not about the human body wanting to preserve calories as fat. The body has means to regulate its weight and those mechanisms worked up until a few decades ago. ("more food" is not to blame by the way, e.g. look at Japan, almost nobody there suffers from a poverty induced calorie deficit)

bsder 3y ago
> Obesity was never an issue in human society before the 60s. 1) A lot of people still had food scarcity up through the 1980s. I think people on these forums don't remember prior to 1980 very well. When I was child, there were definitely students who were obviously malnourished. There is a reason we're still fighting for school meals. My family didn't plant gardens to be hip; we planted gardens to have food. It was really common. Your garden and canning was the difference between hungry and sufficient. Worldwide, heights for men in various countries peaked in the 1980s. That suggests that prior to 1980 there genuinely WAS caloric deficit for the average person. This is one of the reasons why I tend to goggle at people explaining to me about the "Good Old Days(tm)" prior to the 1980s. WTF? Everybody I knew was some level of poor. My family all worked those "good" mill and mine jobs, and we still all had gardens and hoarded repair parts. Sending their kids to college was a difficult financial decision--especially if they had multiple children (very common back then). I can go on and on. I really want to know where were those "Good Old Days(tm)" because nobody in family sure as hell ever saw them. 2) Nicotine is a remarkably good appetite suppressant. Smoking was rampant before the 1980s. One of the standard answers among the sorority sisters to the "Freshman 15" was to take up smoking. It generally worked on their weight. It would be interesting to correlate the drop in smoking in various countries with the rise in obesity. I suspect nobody in the medical community wants to do this because the conclusion is not something they're going to want to publicize. 3) Japan really did have food scarcity. Japan had widespread malnourishment from the 1940s for several decades. We know because of the height differentials. Suppressed height almost always correlates with food scarcity. And, now that they don't have scarcity, their height and weights went up. And, it's only in the 30 year olds that Japan has almost caught up in heights. And Japan is now seeing obesity in the younger cohorts.

bsder 3y ago

> Obesity was never an issue in human society before the 60s. 1) A lot of people still had food scarcity up through the 1980s. I think people on these forums don't remember prior to 1980 very well. When I was child, there were definitely students who were obviously malnourished. There is a reason we're still fighting for school meals. My family didn't plant gardens to be hip; we planted gardens to have food. It was really common. Your garden and canning was the difference between hungry and sufficient. Worldwide, heights for men in various countries peaked in the 1980s. That suggests that prior to 1980 there genuinely WAS caloric deficit for the average person. This is one of the reasons why I tend to goggle at people explaining to me about the "Good Old Days(tm)" prior to the 1980s. WTF? Everybody I knew was some level of poor. My family all worked those "good" mill and mine jobs, and we still all had gardens and hoarded repair parts. Sending their kids to college was a difficult financial decision--especially if they had multiple children (very common back then). I can go on and on. I really want to know where were those "Good Old Days(tm)" because nobody in family sure as hell ever saw them. 2) Nicotine is a remarkably good appetite suppressant. Smoking was rampant before the 1980s. One of the standard answers among the sorority sisters to the "Freshman 15" was to take up smoking. It generally worked on their weight. It would be interesting to correlate the drop in smoking in various countries with the rise in obesity. I suspect nobody in the medical community wants to do this because the conclusion is not something they're going to want to publicize. 3) Japan really did have food scarcity. Japan had widespread malnourishment from the 1940s for several decades. We know because of the height differentials. Suppressed height almost always correlates with food scarcity. And, now that they don't have scarcity, their height and weights went up. And, it's only in the 30 year olds that Japan has almost caught up in heights. And Japan is now seeing obesity in the younger cohorts.