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What does this mean?

by andrewstuart 3y ago

quenix 3y ago
big scary graphs without context
- mcv 3y ago
  The graphs tell you what they're about. Temperature this year is at the very top of recent years, probably another hottest year ever, and a full degree above the 1978-2000 average. Wildfires in Canada are just insane right now. Way, way more than previous years this time of the year. North Atlantic temperature is way higher than any previous year. Antarctic sea ice is lower than ever. All of these are signs that climate change is getting worse and worse. And stuff is likely to get worse in the coming years. And if we don't do anything to dramatically reduce CO2 emissions, it's going to get even worse after that. We do have the ability to turn this around, but we clearly lack the political will to do so. And the longer we wait, the worse it will get.
- lm28469 3y ago
  If you can read and count the graphs are ok actually
- toss1 3y ago
  Nice, a technical-content-free comment attempting to distract from and diminish the message. Not only that, it is dead wrong (at least to anyone who actually reads any of the graphs). The graphs themselves do an excellent job of providing the relevant context — they show decades of previous context, with the current year highlighted. The context of the past decades is literally the point of how the graphs were designed. The titles on the graphs also further describe the context - "..temperature anomaly", "...ice extent anomaly". The consequences of burning eons worth of stored hydrocarbons in a few decades are upon us. But attitudes like this are literally part of the problem.
dr_dshiv 3y ago
It means we’d better start figuring out solar radiation management technologies because our inadvertent geoengineering is causing a rapid increase in global heating.
WastingMyTime89 3y ago
2023 is an exceptional year for multiple climate related issues which is in line with predictions regarding the increasing probabilities of such events. We probably should readjust what we consider normal to something veering further from the past years average and prepare for more extreme scenarios. Also we probably should keep working on managing our emission of greenhouse gas to avoid things getting even worse. As an aside, I don’t get all the people loudly expressing being depressed about the graphs and whatever. This is in line with predictions. People knew that was going to happen. It’s pretty useless to bemoan things which are unavoidable.
- flir 3y ago
  Death is unavoidable. Death still makes me sad.
- Timon3 3y ago
  > As an aside, I don’t get all the people loudly expressing being depressed about the graphs and whatever. This is in line with predictions. People knew that was going to happen. It’s pretty useless to bemoan things which are unavoidable. Humans aren't robots. We don't just have feelings connected to surprising events, but also to unsurprising ones. Why should people not have feelings on this topic?
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    There is not actually a contradiction between "people can have feelings on the topic" and "the feelings are, in themselves, pretty useless".
    - Timon3 3y ago
      There is a strong contradiction between those sentences, because feelings aren't useful or useless. They just are. You are calling them useless, but that doesn't make them useless. You can say that feelings are useless in reaching a specific goal, but that is not what you initially said.
casey2 3y ago
It means just 1... er 2 more decades, for real this time. :P
- mort96 3y ago
  2 decades before what? We're seeing changes right now, are we not? People's lives are being impacted right now, are they not? Seems to me like those who said "we'll start seeing significant changes in 1-2 decades" around 2 decades ago were right on the money.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    Lots of people are in the "if it doesn't drastically impact my day to day life it doesn't really exists", which is a perpetual "in 1-2 decade" cycle since we're quite good at adapting. "it's just a bit warmer", "the forest fires are just a bit closer", "the floods are just a bit closer", &c.
    - mcv 3y ago
      Some people will not be convinced by anything short of the actual destruction of our planet, and by the time that happens, nothing is going to matter anyway.

What does this mean?

quenix 3y ago

big scary graphs without context

mcv 3y ago
The graphs tell you what they're about. Temperature this year is at the very top of recent years, probably another hottest year ever, and a full degree above the 1978-2000 average. Wildfires in Canada are just insane right now. Way, way more than previous years this time of the year. North Atlantic temperature is way higher than any previous year. Antarctic sea ice is lower than ever. All of these are signs that climate change is getting worse and worse. And stuff is likely to get worse in the coming years. And if we don't do anything to dramatically reduce CO2 emissions, it's going to get even worse after that. We do have the ability to turn this around, but we clearly lack the political will to do so. And the longer we wait, the worse it will get.
lm28469 3y ago
If you can read and count the graphs are ok actually
toss1 3y ago
Nice, a technical-content-free comment attempting to distract from and diminish the message. Not only that, it is dead wrong (at least to anyone who actually reads any of the graphs). The graphs themselves do an excellent job of providing the relevant context — they show decades of previous context, with the current year highlighted. The context of the past decades is literally the point of how the graphs were designed. The titles on the graphs also further describe the context - "..temperature anomaly", "...ice extent anomaly". The consequences of burning eons worth of stored hydrocarbons in a few decades are upon us. But attitudes like this are literally part of the problem.

dr_dshiv 3y ago

It means we’d better start figuring out solar radiation management technologies because our inadvertent geoengineering is causing a rapid increase in global heating.

WastingMyTime89 3y ago

2023 is an exceptional year for multiple climate related issues which is in line with predictions regarding the increasing probabilities of such events. We probably should readjust what we consider normal to something veering further from the past years average and prepare for more extreme scenarios. Also we probably should keep working on managing our emission of greenhouse gas to avoid things getting even worse. As an aside, I don’t get all the people loudly expressing being depressed about the graphs and whatever. This is in line with predictions. People knew that was going to happen. It’s pretty useless to bemoan things which are unavoidable.

flir 3y ago
Death is unavoidable. Death still makes me sad.
Timon3 3y ago
> As an aside, I don’t get all the people loudly expressing being depressed about the graphs and whatever. This is in line with predictions. People knew that was going to happen. It’s pretty useless to bemoan things which are unavoidable. Humans aren't robots. We don't just have feelings connected to surprising events, but also to unsurprising ones. Why should people not have feelings on this topic?
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  There is not actually a contradiction between "people can have feelings on the topic" and "the feelings are, in themselves, pretty useless".
  - Timon3 3y ago
    There is a strong contradiction between those sentences, because feelings aren't useful or useless. They just are. You are calling them useless, but that doesn't make them useless. You can say that feelings are useless in reaching a specific goal, but that is not what you initially said.

casey2 3y ago

It means just 1... er 2 more decades, for real this time. :P

mort96 3y ago
2 decades before what? We're seeing changes right now, are we not? People's lives are being impacted right now, are they not? Seems to me like those who said "we'll start seeing significant changes in 1-2 decades" around 2 decades ago were right on the money.
- lm28469 3y ago
  Lots of people are in the "if it doesn't drastically impact my day to day life it doesn't really exists", which is a perpetual "in 1-2 decade" cycle since we're quite good at adapting. "it's just a bit warmer", "the forest fires are just a bit closer", "the floods are just a bit closer", &c.
  - mcv 3y ago
    Some people will not be convinced by anything short of the actual destruction of our planet, and by the time that happens, nothing is going to matter anyway.