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they've unknowingly imported some pernicious memes https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/politics/2023/06/11/nazi-flags-desantis-flags-seen-flying-outside-disne

they've unknowingly imported some pernicious memes https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/politics/2023/06/11/nazi-flags-desantis-flags-seen-flying-outside-disney-during-protests/12087812002/ https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/politics/2023/06/11/naz... What you call pernicious meme I call not wanting to live amongst neo-Nazis.

kcplate 3y ago
Out of the 23M people living in the 54K square miles of Florida you assume that 2 dozen idiots is the modal populace?
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  Bit more than two dozen I'd say. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1158344050/florida-far-right-extremism-politics-desantis https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1158344050/florida-far-right-... https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2022/01/31/nazi-protests-held-in-florida-over-weekend-condemned/ https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2022/01/31/nazi-protest... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/01/ron-desantis-neo-nazi-protests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/01/ron-desantis... https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/florida-neo-nazi-who-became-muslim-admits-to-killing-roomates-for-insulting-faith/ https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/florida-neo-nazi-who-became-mu... https://hyperallergic.com/785647/alt-right-protesters-brandish-nazi-flag-at-florida-drag-event/ https://hyperallergic.com/785647/alt-right-protesters-brandi... https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/25/antisemitism-claims-after-photo-of-melbourne-firefighter-giving-nazi-salute/70148094007/ https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/25/antisemit...
  - kcplate 3y ago
    Interesting that all your links never describe more than a single person or at most “15-20”. I have lived in Florida for more than four decades with family roots here going back to the 1930s…I can count on one hand with fingers leftover the number times I have encountered a “nazi”. But hey, feel free to stay away if you think you are gonna be surrounded by those assholes. You won’t be of course, because despite what the media and others might claim, Florida is pretty damned diverse and a quick visit to pretty much anywhere here would reveal that.
    - inferiorhuman 3y ago
      Interesting that you think 15–20 Nazis (or, you know, people flying the Nazi flag) is acceptable or that any Nazis killing folks is somehow acceptable. But, you know, fair point about going back to the 30s as Florida has historically been klan country. Oh look, the Klan's still nice and active in Florida. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kkk-allegedly-threatens-gay-political-candidate-florida-n797891 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kkk-allegedly-threat... Florida is pretty damned diverse Fair. You've got the klan, neo-nazis, moms for liberty, white lives matter, goyim defense league, natsoc florida, and of course the patriot front. That's pretty diverse. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-sunshine-state-extremism-antisemitism-florida-2020-2022 https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-sunshine-state-ext... Even if you were anywhere near correct, Florida is still being run by one man culture war. That shit desantis is pulling? That's not media hyperbole, that's not memes, they're the law of the land. Why would I want to put down roots somewhere that leads the nation in book banning? Or that looked at a shortage of teachers and thought that lowering (well, eliminating) standards was more appropriate than improving conditions? Why would I set down roots somewhere where the government is trying to legislate the opposition party out of existence? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/apr/20/ron-desantis-florida-electoral-map-gerrymandering-republican-advantage https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/apr/... Let's not forget SB1718. I guess that wasn't really meant to be actionable? Just intended to keep the darkies in line? I've gotta figure that the NAACP and HRC are onto something with their travel advisories, but then again I never did buy the "big bad media" myth that you're trying to sell. Florida is an environment that's openly hostile to people who aren't white, heterosexual, christian men. Don't complain when people who aren't in that demographic avoid or leave Florida.
      - kcplate 3y ago
        Nowhere did I say it was acceptable. I refered to them as idiots and assholes. Also nowhere did I complain that people were leaving the state for that reason. What I said, since you seem hell bent on a straw man argument tactic, was that the population of Florida was large and diverse and the number of neo-nazi assholes are so few that in 45 years of living here I have encountered maybe 3. But hey your opinion so formed from apparently zero practical experience and only the political commentary and news commentary that you read should certainly keep you away. The growing intentional increase of population in the state, including quite ironically to this conversation, several of my non-white, non-Christian, non-male, and in one case, non-heterosexual remote working coworkers who could live literally anywhere…have chosen to disagree with your assessment of the diversity and friendly nature of the state.
thebigwinning 3y ago
Perfect example. A state the size of a European country probably with more diversity and lifestyle than one too, but you imagine you will be persecuted?
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  So you're making excuses for Nazis now? As I've already posted, it's not like this was some isolated incident. No, the persecution I'd be worried about comes at the hands of a governor more worried about waging a culture war than actually running the state. You may agree with the governor, and that's great for you. For the people being targeted, avoiding Florida is a matter of survival, it's not being hoodwinked by some silly meme. I wouldn't be comfortable having a female partner knowing that the state is waging war on reproductive rights. I wouldn't be comfortable raising kids in Florida given that it's leading the nation in book bans. I'd worry about a state that's so desperate to find teachers that they will accept military service instead of actual vocational training. As a human being I don't want to live in a state where the government is engaging in a high profile ideological fight against a gigantic corporation in an effort to silence non-heterosexuals. I hear South Florida is nice, except for the whole anti-Cuba thing. Hell, if I lived in Florida I'd worry about using radioactive waste to pave roads. No, thank you. I prefer living in a state governed by someone who at least pretends to act like an adult. It's not a matter of missing some hidden gem, it's a matter of looking at the reality and deciding that's simply not for you. Me? I've spent enough time in Florida. The infestation of jesus and gun billboards, the weather, and the infrastructure were enough to put me off. The more recent ascension of the culture-warrior-in-chief is just icing on the cake. https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2023-04-21/new-report-florida-second-spike-book-bans https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2023-04-21/new-repor...

kcplate 3y ago

Out of the 23M people living in the 54K square miles of Florida you assume that 2 dozen idiots is the modal populace?

inferiorhuman 3y ago
Bit more than two dozen I'd say. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1158344050/florida-far-right-extremism-politics-desantis https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1158344050/florida-far-right-... https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2022/01/31/nazi-protests-held-in-florida-over-weekend-condemned/ https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2022/01/31/nazi-protest... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/01/ron-desantis-neo-nazi-protests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/01/ron-desantis... https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/florida-neo-nazi-who-became-muslim-admits-to-killing-roomates-for-insulting-faith/ https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/florida-neo-nazi-who-became-mu... https://hyperallergic.com/785647/alt-right-protesters-brandish-nazi-flag-at-florida-drag-event/ https://hyperallergic.com/785647/alt-right-protesters-brandi... https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/25/antisemitism-claims-after-photo-of-melbourne-firefighter-giving-nazi-salute/70148094007/ https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/25/antisemit...
- kcplate 3y ago
  Interesting that all your links never describe more than a single person or at most “15-20”. I have lived in Florida for more than four decades with family roots here going back to the 1930s…I can count on one hand with fingers leftover the number times I have encountered a “nazi”. But hey, feel free to stay away if you think you are gonna be surrounded by those assholes. You won’t be of course, because despite what the media and others might claim, Florida is pretty damned diverse and a quick visit to pretty much anywhere here would reveal that.
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    Interesting that you think 15–20 Nazis (or, you know, people flying the Nazi flag) is acceptable or that any Nazis killing folks is somehow acceptable. But, you know, fair point about going back to the 30s as Florida has historically been klan country. Oh look, the Klan's still nice and active in Florida. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kkk-allegedly-threatens-gay-political-candidate-florida-n797891 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kkk-allegedly-threat... Florida is pretty damned diverse Fair. You've got the klan, neo-nazis, moms for liberty, white lives matter, goyim defense league, natsoc florida, and of course the patriot front. That's pretty diverse. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-sunshine-state-extremism-antisemitism-florida-2020-2022 https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-sunshine-state-ext... Even if you were anywhere near correct, Florida is still being run by one man culture war. That shit desantis is pulling? That's not media hyperbole, that's not memes, they're the law of the land. Why would I want to put down roots somewhere that leads the nation in book banning? Or that looked at a shortage of teachers and thought that lowering (well, eliminating) standards was more appropriate than improving conditions? Why would I set down roots somewhere where the government is trying to legislate the opposition party out of existence? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/apr/20/ron-desantis-florida-electoral-map-gerrymandering-republican-advantage https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/apr/... Let's not forget SB1718. I guess that wasn't really meant to be actionable? Just intended to keep the darkies in line? I've gotta figure that the NAACP and HRC are onto something with their travel advisories, but then again I never did buy the "big bad media" myth that you're trying to sell. Florida is an environment that's openly hostile to people who aren't white, heterosexual, christian men. Don't complain when people who aren't in that demographic avoid or leave Florida.
    - kcplate 3y ago
      Nowhere did I say it was acceptable. I refered to them as idiots and assholes. Also nowhere did I complain that people were leaving the state for that reason. What I said, since you seem hell bent on a straw man argument tactic, was that the population of Florida was large and diverse and the number of neo-nazi assholes are so few that in 45 years of living here I have encountered maybe 3. But hey your opinion so formed from apparently zero practical experience and only the political commentary and news commentary that you read should certainly keep you away. The growing intentional increase of population in the state, including quite ironically to this conversation, several of my non-white, non-Christian, non-male, and in one case, non-heterosexual remote working coworkers who could live literally anywhere…have chosen to disagree with your assessment of the diversity and friendly nature of the state.

thebigwinning 3y ago

Perfect example. A state the size of a European country probably with more diversity and lifestyle than one too, but you imagine you will be persecuted?

inferiorhuman 3y ago
So you're making excuses for Nazis now? As I've already posted, it's not like this was some isolated incident. No, the persecution I'd be worried about comes at the hands of a governor more worried about waging a culture war than actually running the state. You may agree with the governor, and that's great for you. For the people being targeted, avoiding Florida is a matter of survival, it's not being hoodwinked by some silly meme. I wouldn't be comfortable having a female partner knowing that the state is waging war on reproductive rights. I wouldn't be comfortable raising kids in Florida given that it's leading the nation in book bans. I'd worry about a state that's so desperate to find teachers that they will accept military service instead of actual vocational training. As a human being I don't want to live in a state where the government is engaging in a high profile ideological fight against a gigantic corporation in an effort to silence non-heterosexuals. I hear South Florida is nice, except for the whole anti-Cuba thing. Hell, if I lived in Florida I'd worry about using radioactive waste to pave roads. No, thank you. I prefer living in a state governed by someone who at least pretends to act like an adult. It's not a matter of missing some hidden gem, it's a matter of looking at the reality and deciding that's simply not for you. Me? I've spent enough time in Florida. The infestation of jesus and gun billboards, the weather, and the infrastructure were enough to put me off. The more recent ascension of the culture-warrior-in-chief is just icing on the cake. https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2023-04-21/new-report-florida-second-spike-book-bans https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2023-04-21/new-repor...