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Intel was this way, but IMO Pat Gelsinger has turned it around — as per this, their surprisingly competitive GPU perf, and hopefully Intel Foundry Services. ID

Intel was this way, but IMO Pat Gelsinger has turned it around — as per this, their surprisingly competitive GPU perf, and hopefully Intel Foundry Services. IDK if it's enough to call it a Satya Nadella-like CEO transition, but I've been pretty impressed watching it happen.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
I went with the A770 for my new desktop this year and couldn't be happier. They did one thing in their first gen that ATI/AMD and Nvidia have always completely failed to do: release 1st party open source Linux drivers that just work without any fuzz. I see no reason to ever even look at an Nvidia or AMD card again, for my own purposes, assuming Intel keep releasing GPUs. It's laughable how bad their drivers have always been. And Nvidia's pricing is a disgrace.
- arein3 3y ago
  Aren't AMD drivers open source for linux?
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
    No. Not the fully featured ones. Also, the way they've dragged their feet on this for decades, and still do. Doesn't inspire confidence.
    - arein3 3y ago
      When I will buy the next laptop of videocard, I'll have a look at intel gpus and linux driver situation. On my laptop I have disabled the NVidia GPU on linux because of the drivers, and use the AMD integrated GPU. Hope Intel will prioritise open source GPU drivers in the future, if they will do that sincerely it will win goodwill from me and hopefully from the community as well.
      - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
        The open source ones should be fine for a laptop APU. Certainly alot better than whatever the hell Nvidia think they're doing... But yeah, for fancier features like OpenCL, Vulkan, raytracing, you'd have to use amdgpu "pro" drivers which includes many proprietary parts. Intel are definitely committed to providing open source Linux drivers for the gpus, at least based on past behaviour. They've had open source drivers for the iGPUs pretty much since the beginning(2010), IIRC. My last two desktops actually didn't have dGPUs at all because I couldn't be bothered, and I'm not much of a gamer. But now GPUs are too important for many other things, so I'm very happy that Intel got into it. And they didn't disappoint with drivers again really. Though it did take some time to get really sorted, mostly because they had a lot of driver tech debt to sort out on all platforms. So drivers have been shifty all around, but now they're quite stable.
        PlutoIsAPlanet 3y ago
        You don’t need to use the pro drivers for Vulcan, in fact the open source RADV driver typically has better gaming performance and compatibility than the pro package.
        arein3 3y ago
        If you are on linux you are happy that the game runs, you don't care about the 10% more fps you could get with the competitor GPU. Since graphic cards do more than rasterization and lighting, it is very important to have a serious GPU with open source drivers, so that all the other open source projects related to ML can do more. I suppose my next GPU will be from intel (never thought I would say good things about them, after they almost killed the x86 cpus).
__alexs 3y ago
> their surprisingly competitive GPU perf, I think the only thing Pat Gelsinger deserves credit for when it comes to Arc is firing Raja Koduri. Whether or not this turns out to actually be good for the company or not remains to be seen. A lot is riding on Battlemage not being a mess like Arc was.
- arein3 3y ago
  Hope it will fire the guy that releases new cpu sockets without reason. I bought an AMD AM4 socket motherboard 3 years ago for a good price ~55$ (A320MK) and recently I upgraded the CPU (a 5600G - 12 threads at 3.9GHz with powerful integrated GPU for 100$) and the motherboard supports it. Very nice!

mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago

I went with the A770 for my new desktop this year and couldn't be happier. They did one thing in their first gen that ATI/AMD and Nvidia have always completely failed to do: release 1st party open source Linux drivers that just work without any fuzz. I see no reason to ever even look at an Nvidia or AMD card again, for my own purposes, assuming Intel keep releasing GPUs. It's laughable how bad their drivers have always been. And Nvidia's pricing is a disgrace.

arein3 3y ago
Aren't AMD drivers open source for linux?
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
  No. Not the fully featured ones. Also, the way they've dragged their feet on this for decades, and still do. Doesn't inspire confidence.
  - arein3 3y ago
    When I will buy the next laptop of videocard, I'll have a look at intel gpus and linux driver situation. On my laptop I have disabled the NVidia GPU on linux because of the drivers, and use the AMD integrated GPU. Hope Intel will prioritise open source GPU drivers in the future, if they will do that sincerely it will win goodwill from me and hopefully from the community as well.
    - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
      The open source ones should be fine for a laptop APU. Certainly alot better than whatever the hell Nvidia think they're doing... But yeah, for fancier features like OpenCL, Vulkan, raytracing, you'd have to use amdgpu "pro" drivers which includes many proprietary parts. Intel are definitely committed to providing open source Linux drivers for the gpus, at least based on past behaviour. They've had open source drivers for the iGPUs pretty much since the beginning(2010), IIRC. My last two desktops actually didn't have dGPUs at all because I couldn't be bothered, and I'm not much of a gamer. But now GPUs are too important for many other things, so I'm very happy that Intel got into it. And they didn't disappoint with drivers again really. Though it did take some time to get really sorted, mostly because they had a lot of driver tech debt to sort out on all platforms. So drivers have been shifty all around, but now they're quite stable.
      - PlutoIsAPlanet 3y ago
        You don’t need to use the pro drivers for Vulcan, in fact the open source RADV driver typically has better gaming performance and compatibility than the pro package.
        arein3 3y ago
        If you are on linux you are happy that the game runs, you don't care about the 10% more fps you could get with the competitor GPU. Since graphic cards do more than rasterization and lighting, it is very important to have a serious GPU with open source drivers, so that all the other open source projects related to ML can do more. I suppose my next GPU will be from intel (never thought I would say good things about them, after they almost killed the x86 cpus).

__alexs 3y ago

> their surprisingly competitive GPU perf, I think the only thing Pat Gelsinger deserves credit for when it comes to Arc is firing Raja Koduri. Whether or not this turns out to actually be good for the company or not remains to be seen. A lot is riding on Battlemage not being a mess like Arc was.

arein3 3y ago
Hope it will fire the guy that releases new cpu sockets without reason. I bought an AMD AM4 socket motherboard 3 years ago for a good price ~55$ (A320MK) and recently I upgraded the CPU (a 5600G - 12 threads at 3.9GHz with powerful integrated GPU for 100$) and the motherboard supports it. Very nice!