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> The indirect evidence of a lab leak theory is overwhelming frankly. There was some indirect and even some more direct evidence of Iraq doing nuclear weapons
by Matl 3y ago
> The indirect evidence of a lab leak theory is overwhelming frankly.
There was some indirect and even some more direct evidence of Iraq doing nuclear weapons research in some capacity at some point too, this is incredibly dangerous line to go own without being 250% sure. Indirect evidence simply doesn't cut it.
> No one credible is saying china intentionally released the virus or built it with the intention of building a weapon.
It may not be someone 'credible', but within the current context of the U.S. preparing for what increasingly looks like a direct confrontation with China, it sure suits a lot of neocons in Washington, who seem to always be failing upwards in the ranks despite having lost all credibility over a dozen times in the last decade alone.
- smeagull 3y ago[flagged]
- distortionfield 3y agoNo, it doesnt. All the “indirect evidence” of the lab leak hypothesis could be interpreted multiple other totally reasonable and likely ways, and it would be irresponsible to motivate foreign policy on that “indirect evidence”.
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- qwerasdf5 3y agoCan you please list the other "totally reasonable and likely ways"? I'm interested.
- irjustin 3y ago"Reasonable" could be simply truly accidental like someone carried a vial, drops it and then someone gets sick from that? The point the parent comment is trying to make is all we have is speculation and you can speculate either way. Just make whatever you want up in your head that doesn't include malice.
- distortionfield 3y agoThe point is we will never know and anyone claiming otherwise is selling you something
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago> "Reasonable" could be simply truly accidental like someone carried a vial, drops it and then someone gets sick from that? What you described is still the lab leak theory.
- irjustin 3y agoOh you're right, i'm supposed to support "not lab leak". Bats -> humans in the market. Point remains the same. We're all speculating because I agree with the statement that trying to create foreign policy based on speculation creates so many problems - Iraq war for one (but, being fair, supposedly that was credible).
- HardlyCurious 3y agoAre you of the belief that the lab leak theory implies intention?
- irjustin 3y agoi'm of the belief that we only have speculation.
- HardlyCurious 3y agoThe fact that we only have speculation is due to yet inability to find a natural source of covid and China's refusal to be a decent member of the world and instead chose to obstruct and hide as much as they could. But, I'm sure china would admit to the world that their research lab was the fuck up that killed millions of people. It isn't like china would ever try to censor and control information that makes them look bad.
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- avereveard 3y ago"they didn't make the research archives disappear intentionally, lee from accounting just dropped some tea on the server"
- smeagull 3y agoI didn't suggest anyone should. Merely that when a state acts in bad faith, their claims should be ignored, and the worst can be assumed.
- kevin_thibedeau 3y agoSaddam intentionally let the WMD claims be made unchallenged because he wanted Iran to be reluctant to attack while Iraq was too weak to defend itself.