4 ms·

I'd have it the other way around. Intel's doing OK with cpus but man their P-core is way too big & hot. They've been adding and adding to the same core design f

I'd have it the other way around. Intel's doing OK with cpus but man their P-core is way too big & hot. They've been adding and adding to the same core design for a decade & it's a monster. Also their process is still flagging. They've managed well for such limitations but real change has to come, soon. Meanwhile Arc is kicking ass. It's launch was a dud, but the team has really kept pushing on making the chip run better and better & it's such a great value now. People need to reassess the preconceptions they formed at launch. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-arc-graphics-cards-silently-excellent/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-arc-graphics-c...

Tuna-Fish 3y ago
Again, it only looks good because it's sold at such a deep discount. A770 has a 400mm^2 die and a 256-bit bus to 16GB of GDDR6. It only competes favorably to cards that cost less than half of what it did to manufacture. You can say that it's a great deal for a consumer, but it is a terrible deal for Intel, and the only reason they are selling them for such a price is that they already have the stock and couldn't sell it for any higher price.
- rektide 3y ago
  There could definitely be a lot of truth to this but we don't really know do we? Do we have any idea how much these chips actually cost various chipmakers?1 Amd's rx580 was a $280 gpu with 256bit bus too. It got down near $200 for a while. It was only 240mm^2 though. I simply don't know what chips actually can cost these days. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Intel's taking a bath here but I also would be super unshocked to hear other folks making gpus have colossal markups.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
- boringuser2 3y ago
  Tuna-Fish decides what qualifies as a "discount" simply by shooting out of his ass, unless you have insider knowledge you'd like to share.
boringuser2 3y ago
Completely disagree. The new P's are insane. I have an i5-1240p and it's the best chip I've ever owned. 12 cores, 25w tdp.
- wtallis 3y ago
  The -P SoCs are not the same thing as the P-cores contained within. The i5-1240P SoC has 4 P-cores and 8 E-cores. The -P at the end of the model number denotes it as being in the middle product segment of their mobile lineup, between the lower-power -U models and the higher-power -H models. All three product segments use the same P-cores and E-cores, but in varying quantities and clock speeds.
  - boringuser2 3y ago
    Apologies, I misunderstood. In any case, the i5-1240p is fantastic. I wouldn't prefer any other SOC over it given it's an Intel, an x64 chipset and an absolute animal in power, compatibility and performance (especially multi-core). Also, their n100 chipsets are insanity for low-end, low TDP computing. I don't think there is anything comparable on the market. As I understand it, this uses all efficiency cores. An n100 server could handle any task you could ever throw it and only pull 6watts of power.
smolder 3y ago
They're only too hot and inefficient when run at 5+ ghz. You'll see those same P cores perform very admirably in terms of efficiency when they are run in their peak efficiency zone, like in server and mobile chips.

Tuna-Fish 3y ago

Again, it only looks good because it's sold at such a deep discount. A770 has a 400mm^2 die and a 256-bit bus to 16GB of GDDR6. It only competes favorably to cards that cost less than half of what it did to manufacture. You can say that it's a great deal for a consumer, but it is a terrible deal for Intel, and the only reason they are selling them for such a price is that they already have the stock and couldn't sell it for any higher price.

rektide 3y ago
There could definitely be a lot of truth to this but we don't really know do we? Do we have any idea how much these chips actually cost various chipmakers?1 Amd's rx580 was a $280 gpu with 256bit bus too. It got down near $200 for a while. It was only 240mm^2 though. I simply don't know what chips actually can cost these days. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Intel's taking a bath here but I also would be super unshocked to hear other folks making gpus have colossal markups.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
boringuser2 3y ago
Tuna-Fish decides what qualifies as a "discount" simply by shooting out of his ass, unless you have insider knowledge you'd like to share.

boringuser2 3y ago

Completely disagree. The new P's are insane. I have an i5-1240p and it's the best chip I've ever owned. 12 cores, 25w tdp.

wtallis 3y ago
The -P SoCs are not the same thing as the P-cores contained within. The i5-1240P SoC has 4 P-cores and 8 E-cores. The -P at the end of the model number denotes it as being in the middle product segment of their mobile lineup, between the lower-power -U models and the higher-power -H models. All three product segments use the same P-cores and E-cores, but in varying quantities and clock speeds.
- boringuser2 3y ago
  Apologies, I misunderstood. In any case, the i5-1240p is fantastic. I wouldn't prefer any other SOC over it given it's an Intel, an x64 chipset and an absolute animal in power, compatibility and performance (especially multi-core). Also, their n100 chipsets are insanity for low-end, low TDP computing. I don't think there is anything comparable on the market. As I understand it, this uses all efficiency cores. An n100 server could handle any task you could ever throw it and only pull 6watts of power.

smolder 3y ago

They're only too hot and inefficient when run at 5+ ghz. You'll see those same P cores perform very admirably in terms of efficiency when they are run in their peak efficiency zone, like in server and mobile chips.