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Intel is producing amazing GPUs AND CPUs right now.

Tuna-Fish 3y ago
They really are not making amazing GPUs. The ones on the market are only decent value because Intel is selling them far below what it cost to make them, because there's no way they could sell them at proper prices. Even still, they have ceased production, and the product is still on the shelves.
- LASR 3y ago
  Honestly being anywhere on the competitive spectrum is pretty impressive. GPUs aren’t just some commodity product. They’ve required decades of iteration to lead to the flagship products we have today. To achieve at least a fraction of that is an achievement of itself. But yeah I am going to hold on to my NVDA for now.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    Haha, yeah, in any reasonable comparison to like “complexity of things that humans have made over all time,” they are definitely pretty amazing. But they appear to be third best among their peers. I’d take an Intel dGPU though.
- rektide 3y ago
  I'd have it the other way around. Intel's doing OK with cpus but man their P-core is way too big & hot. They've been adding and adding to the same core design for a decade & it's a monster. Also their process is still flagging. They've managed well for such limitations but real change has to come, soon. Meanwhile Arc is kicking ass. It's launch was a dud, but the team has really kept pushing on making the chip run better and better & it's such a great value now. People need to reassess the preconceptions they formed at launch. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-arc-graphics-cards-silently-excellent/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-arc-graphics-c...
  - Tuna-Fish 3y ago
    Again, it only looks good because it's sold at such a deep discount. A770 has a 400mm^2 die and a 256-bit bus to 16GB of GDDR6. It only competes favorably to cards that cost less than half of what it did to manufacture. You can say that it's a great deal for a consumer, but it is a terrible deal for Intel, and the only reason they are selling them for such a price is that they already have the stock and couldn't sell it for any higher price.
    - rektide 3y ago
      There could definitely be a lot of truth to this but we don't really know do we? Do we have any idea how much these chips actually cost various chipmakers?1 Amd's rx580 was a $280 gpu with 256bit bus too. It got down near $200 for a while. It was only 240mm^2 though. I simply don't know what chips actually can cost these days. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Intel's taking a bath here but I also would be super unshocked to hear other folks making gpus have colossal markups.
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    - boringuser2 3y ago
      Tuna-Fish decides what qualifies as a "discount" simply by shooting out of his ass, unless you have insider knowledge you'd like to share.
  - boringuser2 3y ago
    Completely disagree. The new P's are insane. I have an i5-1240p and it's the best chip I've ever owned. 12 cores, 25w tdp.
    - wtallis 3y ago
      The -P SoCs are not the same thing as the P-cores contained within. The i5-1240P SoC has 4 P-cores and 8 E-cores. The -P at the end of the model number denotes it as being in the middle product segment of their mobile lineup, between the lower-power -U models and the higher-power -H models. All three product segments use the same P-cores and E-cores, but in varying quantities and clock speeds.
- singhrac 3y ago
  They did it to take market share, and they have, slightly (6% market share against AMDs 9%). If you look closely their software story is miles ahead of AMDs, so I can see them coming to a comfortable second in the next few years… which is nothing small given the leader is apparently a trillion dollar company.
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silisili 3y ago
Their APUs are not competitive. Somehow the 13 gen has a worse igpu than previous generations. The CPU is plenty fast, though. Meanwhile, you can run Cyberpunk on the newest AMD APUs.

They really are not making amazing GPUs. The ones on the market are only decent value because Intel is selling them far below what it cost to make them, because there's no way they could sell them at proper prices. Even still, they have ceased production, and the product is still on the shelves.

LASR 3y ago
Honestly being anywhere on the competitive spectrum is pretty impressive. GPUs aren’t just some commodity product. They’ve required decades of iteration to lead to the flagship products we have today. To achieve at least a fraction of that is an achievement of itself. But yeah I am going to hold on to my NVDA for now.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  Haha, yeah, in any reasonable comparison to like “complexity of things that humans have made over all time,” they are definitely pretty amazing. But they appear to be third best among their peers. I’d take an Intel dGPU though.
rektide 3y ago
I'd have it the other way around. Intel's doing OK with cpus but man their P-core is way too big & hot. They've been adding and adding to the same core design for a decade & it's a monster. Also their process is still flagging. They've managed well for such limitations but real change has to come, soon. Meanwhile Arc is kicking ass. It's launch was a dud, but the team has really kept pushing on making the chip run better and better & it's such a great value now. People need to reassess the preconceptions they formed at launch. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-arc-graphics-cards-silently-excellent/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-arc-graphics-c...
- Tuna-Fish 3y ago
  Again, it only looks good because it's sold at such a deep discount. A770 has a 400mm^2 die and a 256-bit bus to 16GB of GDDR6. It only competes favorably to cards that cost less than half of what it did to manufacture. You can say that it's a great deal for a consumer, but it is a terrible deal for Intel, and the only reason they are selling them for such a price is that they already have the stock and couldn't sell it for any higher price.
  - rektide 3y ago
    There could definitely be a lot of truth to this but we don't really know do we? Do we have any idea how much these chips actually cost various chipmakers?1 Amd's rx580 was a $280 gpu with 256bit bus too. It got down near $200 for a while. It was only 240mm^2 though. I simply don't know what chips actually can cost these days. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Intel's taking a bath here but I also would be super unshocked to hear other folks making gpus have colossal markups.
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  - boringuser2 3y ago
    Tuna-Fish decides what qualifies as a "discount" simply by shooting out of his ass, unless you have insider knowledge you'd like to share.
- boringuser2 3y ago
  Completely disagree. The new P's are insane. I have an i5-1240p and it's the best chip I've ever owned. 12 cores, 25w tdp.
  - wtallis 3y ago
    The -P SoCs are not the same thing as the P-cores contained within. The i5-1240P SoC has 4 P-cores and 8 E-cores. The -P at the end of the model number denotes it as being in the middle product segment of their mobile lineup, between the lower-power -U models and the higher-power -H models. All three product segments use the same P-cores and E-cores, but in varying quantities and clock speeds.
singhrac 3y ago
They did it to take market share, and they have, slightly (6% market share against AMDs 9%). If you look closely their software story is miles ahead of AMDs, so I can see them coming to a comfortable second in the next few years… which is nothing small given the leader is apparently a trillion dollar company.
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silisili 3y ago

Their APUs are not competitive. Somehow the 13 gen has a worse igpu than previous generations. The CPU is plenty fast, though. Meanwhile, you can run Cyberpunk on the newest AMD APUs.