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To be fair, the amount of effort that Apple puts into their APIs is well above the industry standard. Cocoa and Cocoa Touch stand with few peers when it comes t

To be fair, the amount of effort that Apple puts into their APIs is well above the industry standard. Cocoa and Cocoa Touch stand with few peers when it comes to depth, breadth, and quality which has been a big factor in the success of their platforms. They’re some of the few SDKs where if you want to, you can produce a top tier app without importing a single third party library, which is no small feat. In their shoes, even if the App Store didn’t exist, I’m sure I wouldn’t be all that thrilled to open the floodgates for lowest common denominator apps built with other toolkits that do nothing to leverage what makes the platforms good and unique.

shmerl 3y ago
That's never really an excuse for lock-in. If they are so superior, they wouldn't need to worry about developers not using them, right? Using tools as a way to control developers is just disgusting.
- kitsunesoba 3y ago
  It doesn't matter how good your SDKs and tooling are, there will always be a large number of developers who will instead prefer options they perceive to be cheaper or more convenient. It's the same reason why McDonalds has no problem selling their food when far higher quality options exist. Outright control is probably overboard yes, but I don't see any reason why a platform maintainer should want to do anything to encourage low-investment apps.
  - shmerl 3y ago
    There is a huge difference between encouraging and forbidding. And quality or security in the above case are used as an excuse to hide the anti-competitive intent.
- detourdog 3y ago
  This is an argument to trust developers and business school grads as opposed to a company that I have a 40+ relationship with. If you want developer freedom choose a different platform. Apple is for users and not developers. We all have the freedom to do whatever we want. Why some people choose to constantly rail against a company they think is ridiculous os mystifying. Move on bless some other platform with your gifts. One should develop for a platform they enjoy.
  - shmerl 3y ago
    Not buying this argument. This should be illegal and not excused with "choose a different platform". That's all there is to it.

shmerl 3y ago

That's never really an excuse for lock-in. If they are so superior, they wouldn't need to worry about developers not using them, right? Using tools as a way to control developers is just disgusting.

kitsunesoba 3y ago
It doesn't matter how good your SDKs and tooling are, there will always be a large number of developers who will instead prefer options they perceive to be cheaper or more convenient. It's the same reason why McDonalds has no problem selling their food when far higher quality options exist. Outright control is probably overboard yes, but I don't see any reason why a platform maintainer should want to do anything to encourage low-investment apps.
- shmerl 3y ago
  There is a huge difference between encouraging and forbidding. And quality or security in the above case are used as an excuse to hide the anti-competitive intent.
detourdog 3y ago
This is an argument to trust developers and business school grads as opposed to a company that I have a 40+ relationship with. If you want developer freedom choose a different platform. Apple is for users and not developers. We all have the freedom to do whatever we want. Why some people choose to constantly rail against a company they think is ridiculous os mystifying. Move on bless some other platform with your gifts. One should develop for a platform they enjoy.
- shmerl 3y ago
  Not buying this argument. This should be illegal and not excused with "choose a different platform". That's all there is to it.