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Many small startups generate fake traffic, either for testing or for marketing purposes (e.g. cheating on the numbers). I would be surprised to find any succes

Many small startups generate fake traffic, either for testing or for marketing purposes (e.g. cheating on the numbers). I would be surprised to find any successful company that had no shenanigans in their origin story. My history included a startup that shipped empty boxes to meet numbers, scraped thousands of emails from more popular websites to sell as their own traffic, even one that forged stock certificates to secure funding. (The FBI ended that one)

TeMPOraL 3y ago
Well, it definitely goes against the economic propaganda that the US fed the rest of the world, that you can become wealthy by hard and honest entrepreneurship.
- JoeAltmaier 3y ago
  I'd guess that this often happens when companies are failing. For every one that laughs about it years later with billions in market cap, there are 100 that failed.
tmpz22 3y ago
LinkedIn famously abused oauth permissions to take over the email accounts of their users and send invites to their service to the contact list. Please don’t normalize this. Just because it has many famous examples does not mean it should ever become socially acceptable. Fuck every company that has done this.
- franke2 3y ago
  > abused oauth permissions to take over the email accounts of their users Woah, never knew this. Do you have any reference? I cannot find anything about it.
  - CommitSyn 3y ago
    https://venturebeat.com/business/linkedin-faces-lawsuit-for-emailing-user-contacts-without-permission/ https://venturebeat.com/business/linkedin-faces-lawsuit-for-...
oilchange 3y ago
> I would be surprised to find any successful company that had no shenanigans in their origin story. And it's not just in tech. New restaurants hire actors as customers to make the restaurant appear busy and popular. Publishing companies and authors buy their own books to make it appear popular and climb the best sellers list. Clubs give out free tickets. Studios buy seats or entire theaters to make it seems like their movies are selling out. The older you get, the naive idealized world of business recedes as the stark "fake it til you make it" world emerges. Everyone fakes it. But not everyone makes it. Taken to extreme, we get elizabeth holmes and theranos.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

Well, it definitely goes against the economic propaganda that the US fed the rest of the world, that you can become wealthy by hard and honest entrepreneurship.

JoeAltmaier 3y ago
I'd guess that this often happens when companies are failing. For every one that laughs about it years later with billions in market cap, there are 100 that failed.

tmpz22 3y ago

LinkedIn famously abused oauth permissions to take over the email accounts of their users and send invites to their service to the contact list. Please don’t normalize this. Just because it has many famous examples does not mean it should ever become socially acceptable. Fuck every company that has done this.

franke2 3y ago
> abused oauth permissions to take over the email accounts of their users Woah, never knew this. Do you have any reference? I cannot find anything about it.
- CommitSyn 3y ago
  https://venturebeat.com/business/linkedin-faces-lawsuit-for-emailing-user-contacts-without-permission/ https://venturebeat.com/business/linkedin-faces-lawsuit-for-...

oilchange 3y ago

> I would be surprised to find any successful company that had no shenanigans in their origin story. And it's not just in tech. New restaurants hire actors as customers to make the restaurant appear busy and popular. Publishing companies and authors buy their own books to make it appear popular and climb the best sellers list. Clubs give out free tickets. Studios buy seats or entire theaters to make it seems like their movies are selling out. The older you get, the naive idealized world of business recedes as the stark "fake it til you make it" world emerges. Everyone fakes it. But not everyone makes it. Taken to extreme, we get elizabeth holmes and theranos.