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A quasi-automatic approach in many circles, I would say. All the troubles of the world are the fault of the west, because, you know, the rest of the world is so
by cm2187 3y ago
A quasi-automatic approach in many circles, I would say. All the troubles of the world are the fault of the west, because, you know, the rest of the world is somehow incapable of agency...
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- oarsinsync 3y agoAbusers abuse. Abused suffer PTSD. They don’t lack agency, but continue to suffer the effects of abuse long after the abuser has gone. On individual scales, this can last years, or lifetimes. On nation scales, decades pushing on centuries doesn’t seem unfair.
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- cm2187 3y agoFrance got invaded 3 times in the last century and a half. They still own the economic decline post 1970s. The rest is just excuses.
- akiselev 3y agoThe difference is that the Allies helped France rebuild instead of making it pay indemnity [1] for the actions of the Vichy regime. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti_indemnity_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti_indemnity_controversy
- dudul 3y agoThe Vichy regime wasn't the French government, it was the puppet for an occupying country. Allies helped everybody rebuild, including Germany.
- akiselev 3y agoRight, that's the point. The Allies helped France rebuild after their occupier - Germany - was defeated _by the Allies_. France's colonies, however, did not receive the same courtesy when their occupier - France - had to be violently forced from the colonies. The independent nations were, more often than not, left ruling over ashes.
- sofixa 3y ago> The Vichy regime wasn't the French government, it was the puppet for an occupying country That's just wishful hand waving away a problematic period of French history. The Vichy government is a direct successor to the previous government, with Pétain replacing Reynaud as Prime Minister following all procedures, and was elected specifically to sign an armistice with Germany. From there they went on suspending thr constitution and civil liberties, and being in most, but not all (most notably military, the French navy, air force and army didn't help the Germans in any way and ended up being sabotaged before falling in German hands) respects a puppet of Germany. But they got to that position as a direct continuation of the previous Third Republic governments.
- dudul 3y agoBy this logic Hitler was also elected. Elections held in an occupied country don't put in place a legitimate government.
- jona-f 3y agoYou sure do generalize alot. At least close the circle with 'Abused become abusers'.
- makeitdouble 3y agoIt would be more accepted as an idea if after independence France completely cut ties with Algeria. But it's absolutely not the case. As for most of its former colonies, France kept meddling to keep a foot in the country and sustain economic ties, and this often goes through making sure a French friendly gov is in place. We've seen former colonies get into a lot turmoil as their gov gets cosy with the US for instance, and start to severly reduce French influence. In Algeria during the civil war, French support happened to go to the pro-French gov. In Madagascar for instance it went to against the established gov that was pro-US.