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Without ceremony, you have changed arguments. Originally you were saying those people simply don’t exist. As many a police investigator has noted, changing one’

Without ceremony, you have changed arguments. Originally you were saying those people simply don’t exist. As many a police investigator has noted, changing one’s stories is the surest sign of dishonesty. But even if we ignore this, by induced demand, open streets will simply invite more traffic. The difference is the wealth distribution of the present traffic.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago
> Originally you were saying those people simply don’t exist. Sorry, when I said "if you're poor, you probably aren't driving in Manhattan in the first place," I didn't mean to imply that zero low-income people drive private vehicles there. However, I do believe that the population of drivers in Manhattan is overwhelmingly higher income. Separately, I believe that the vast majority of private vehicles should be banned in Manhattan anyway (which is what I meant by "if you are driving in Manhattan, you should probably stop doing that). If I was God Emperor of New York, I would close 4/5 streets in Manhattan to vehicles, and restrict the remaining streets to commercial trucks, busses, taxis, ambulances, and individuals who can park in handicapped parking spots. This would ensure that those who actually do need to drive can do so efficiently. If congestion pricing gets us partway there, that's a huge win in my eyes. > But even if we ignore this, by induced demand, open streets will simply invite more traffic. Great, then NYC can raise the price. They should keep raising the price until the roads are clear. Then they should give that money to the MTA to improve public transit, and further tip the scales against driving.
- ironmagma 3y ago
  Doing that you’ll get a couple billionaires per hour. Why not just ban driving in the city altogether? (This isn’t just a rhetorical question, really, why not just do that instead of this BS?) Ironically I think everyone knows the answer which is that this isn’t about congestion. This is about lining pockets as much as possible.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago

> Originally you were saying those people simply don’t exist. Sorry, when I said "if you're poor, you probably aren't driving in Manhattan in the first place," I didn't mean to imply that zero low-income people drive private vehicles there. However, I do believe that the population of drivers in Manhattan is overwhelmingly higher income. Separately, I believe that the vast majority of private vehicles should be banned in Manhattan anyway (which is what I meant by "if you are driving in Manhattan, you should probably stop doing that). If I was God Emperor of New York, I would close 4/5 streets in Manhattan to vehicles, and restrict the remaining streets to commercial trucks, busses, taxis, ambulances, and individuals who can park in handicapped parking spots. This would ensure that those who actually do need to drive can do so efficiently. If congestion pricing gets us partway there, that's a huge win in my eyes. > But even if we ignore this, by induced demand, open streets will simply invite more traffic. Great, then NYC can raise the price. They should keep raising the price until the roads are clear. Then they should give that money to the MTA to improve public transit, and further tip the scales against driving.

ironmagma 3y ago
Doing that you’ll get a couple billionaires per hour. Why not just ban driving in the city altogether? (This isn’t just a rhetorical question, really, why not just do that instead of this BS?) Ironically I think everyone knows the answer which is that this isn’t about congestion. This is about lining pockets as much as possible.