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Right, because nobody is a population. It's not an interesting question to ask. You may as well ask - how can we get the population to become strength athletes

by throwaway22032 3y ago

Right, because nobody is a population. It's not an interesting question to ask. You may as well ask - how can we get the population to become strength athletes. Most people just don't care, it's not a priority for them. A lot of people just like food, and they'd rather enjoy big tasty meals than be slim. So what?

constantcrying 3y ago
Bizzarre stance. Being at a healthy weight is obviously an enormous issue, obesity is very dangerous. There is an entire industry trying or pretending to try to help people. >Most people just don't care, it's not a priority for them Blatantly false. Clearly an enormous amount of people are unhappy with the condition of their body.
- throwaway22032 3y ago
  An enormous amount of people are unhappy =/= an enormous amount of people actually want to change things. People know what they need to do if they want to lose weight, they just don't do it because it's not a priority. Almost the entire weight loss industry is basically a scam, just like get rich quick schemes. Or quitting smoking. Once you see yourself as not being a smoker, forever, that's 90% of the battle.
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    >An enormous amount of people are unhappy =/= an enormous amount of people actually want to change things. Again. The size of the industry shows the demand for people who want to see a change. And make at least a financial committment to change. >People know what they need to do if they want to lose weight What particularly? Eat less, exercise more?
    - throwaway22032 3y ago
      The main ingredient towards any body transformation, whether it's losing, maintaining, or putting on weight, is to eat the correct amount, yes. Exercising, and eating adult meals, can help, but they're way lower on the list than simply eating the correct amount. But you know this. I know that you know this. You just want some sort of collectivist answer that doesn't exist. It's harder to e.g. make eggs for breakfast, or cook a roast dinner, than it is to just go and have a donut from the drive through. There is obviously no way to "solve" that on a population level. You may as well ask "how do we get people to stop using social media and read books". They have to do it themselves. Many people will say they want to, but they really don't. Many just don't care at all. Case in point, here I am on HN rather than doing something more healthy. These are my revealed preferences. Who cares?
      - constantcrying 3y ago
        The amount of obese people has been consistently on the rise for many decades. Before the 60s it almost did not exist. Clearly there is a solution, since it used to not be a problem. "People eat more now" is just a tautology. Why do they do it though? Food was worse in the 60s?
        throwaway22032 3y ago
        I think we're at loggerheads here, this is more of a political debate I feel. There's probably more affordable fast food about. Lately there seems to be a movement towards enabling obesity via lack of shame. If those things changed there would probably be movement. But whilst that might be interesting to an academic, that doesn't change what a person needs to do as an individual. You're not going to lose weight by complaining about the lack of healthy restaurants around you.
        constantcrying 3y ago
        Yes, of course this is political, it simply can not be if obesity is effecting large parts of the population. >But whilst that might be interesting to an academic, I think it should be important to politicians. If the literal health of their populaion is not a priority, then what is? >You're not going to lose weight by complaining about the lack of healthy restaurants around you. Absolutely. But I am not talking about "me", since it is a population wide problem, population wide solutions are the only solutions.

constantcrying 3y ago

Bizzarre stance. Being at a healthy weight is obviously an enormous issue, obesity is very dangerous. There is an entire industry trying or pretending to try to help people. >Most people just don't care, it's not a priority for them Blatantly false. Clearly an enormous amount of people are unhappy with the condition of their body.

throwaway22032 3y ago
An enormous amount of people are unhappy =/= an enormous amount of people actually want to change things. People know what they need to do if they want to lose weight, they just don't do it because it's not a priority. Almost the entire weight loss industry is basically a scam, just like get rich quick schemes. Or quitting smoking. Once you see yourself as not being a smoker, forever, that's 90% of the battle.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  >An enormous amount of people are unhappy =/= an enormous amount of people actually want to change things. Again. The size of the industry shows the demand for people who want to see a change. And make at least a financial committment to change. >People know what they need to do if they want to lose weight What particularly? Eat less, exercise more?
  - throwaway22032 3y ago
    The main ingredient towards any body transformation, whether it's losing, maintaining, or putting on weight, is to eat the correct amount, yes. Exercising, and eating adult meals, can help, but they're way lower on the list than simply eating the correct amount. But you know this. I know that you know this. You just want some sort of collectivist answer that doesn't exist. It's harder to e.g. make eggs for breakfast, or cook a roast dinner, than it is to just go and have a donut from the drive through. There is obviously no way to "solve" that on a population level. You may as well ask "how do we get people to stop using social media and read books". They have to do it themselves. Many people will say they want to, but they really don't. Many just don't care at all. Case in point, here I am on HN rather than doing something more healthy. These are my revealed preferences. Who cares?
    - constantcrying 3y ago
      The amount of obese people has been consistently on the rise for many decades. Before the 60s it almost did not exist. Clearly there is a solution, since it used to not be a problem. "People eat more now" is just a tautology. Why do they do it though? Food was worse in the 60s?
      - throwaway22032 3y ago
        I think we're at loggerheads here, this is more of a political debate I feel. There's probably more affordable fast food about. Lately there seems to be a movement towards enabling obesity via lack of shame. If those things changed there would probably be movement. But whilst that might be interesting to an academic, that doesn't change what a person needs to do as an individual. You're not going to lose weight by complaining about the lack of healthy restaurants around you.
        constantcrying 3y ago
        Yes, of course this is political, it simply can not be if obesity is effecting large parts of the population. >But whilst that might be interesting to an academic, I think it should be important to politicians. If the literal health of their populaion is not a priority, then what is? >You're not going to lose weight by complaining about the lack of healthy restaurants around you. Absolutely. But I am not talking about "me", since it is a population wide problem, population wide solutions are the only solutions.