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"we should not treat drug addiction as a crime" - I don't think anyone is saying otherwise

xigency 3y ago
Placing the blame on the substance rather than society is an on-ramp to criminalization.
standardUser 3y ago
Everyone is saying that, unless you think drugs materialize out of thin air? Because in reality, a drug user, drug seller and drug producer are all part of the exact same system, completely inseparable and entirely co-dependent on one another. Any differentiation we make is a fantasy we have devised to make ourselves feel better, like we're going after the "real" criminal, not the poor victim/user. The only way to stop criminalizing drug use is to end the black market for drugs. Half measures like "decriminalization" simply leads to more and problems and solves nothing.
- 8note 3y ago
  Decriminalization is the thing you're looking for -- making people free to sell whatever drugs they want, rather than something like legalizing, which keeps the black markets intact
  - Nursie 3y ago
    Decriminalisation generally means taking away criminal penalties for possession but still having some penalty (usually the user must attend counselling), and keeping production and supply illegal. Legalising is the 'full fat' solution which allows legal production and trade.
  - standardUser 3y ago
    "Decriminalization is the thing you're looking for " That is not even remotely close to what I am looking for. No substance that is widely consumed by people should be produced or sold without comprehensive - if not excessive - formal processes to ensure purity. Black markets only exists because states enable them. We have unlimited evidence that, when you allow people to produce and sell products and make a profit, even with significant regulations and enforcement, they will do so and usually not break the rules.
  - pstuart 3y ago
    Legalize, tax, and regulate. Regulate includes public consumption: you can't drive while intoxicated, but also if you're nodding off from smoking fent on public transit that should be dealt with a trip to a treatment facility.
pstuart 3y ago
The comment I was responding to was talking about it in the context of "correctional facilities". Likewise, the continued war on drugs literally makes addicts into criminals.

Placing the blame on the substance rather than society is an on-ramp to criminalization.

Everyone is saying that, unless you think drugs materialize out of thin air? Because in reality, a drug user, drug seller and drug producer are all part of the exact same system, completely inseparable and entirely co-dependent on one another. Any differentiation we make is a fantasy we have devised to make ourselves feel better, like we're going after the "real" criminal, not the poor victim/user. The only way to stop criminalizing drug use is to end the black market for drugs. Half measures like "decriminalization" simply leads to more and problems and solves nothing.

8note 3y ago
Decriminalization is the thing you're looking for -- making people free to sell whatever drugs they want, rather than something like legalizing, which keeps the black markets intact
- Nursie 3y ago
  Decriminalisation generally means taking away criminal penalties for possession but still having some penalty (usually the user must attend counselling), and keeping production and supply illegal. Legalising is the 'full fat' solution which allows legal production and trade.
- standardUser 3y ago
  "Decriminalization is the thing you're looking for " That is not even remotely close to what I am looking for. No substance that is widely consumed by people should be produced or sold without comprehensive - if not excessive - formal processes to ensure purity. Black markets only exists because states enable them. We have unlimited evidence that, when you allow people to produce and sell products and make a profit, even with significant regulations and enforcement, they will do so and usually not break the rules.
- pstuart 3y ago
  Legalize, tax, and regulate. Regulate includes public consumption: you can't drive while intoxicated, but also if you're nodding off from smoking fent on public transit that should be dealt with a trip to a treatment facility.

pstuart 3y ago

The comment I was responding to was talking about it in the context of "correctional facilities". Likewise, the continued war on drugs literally makes addicts into criminals.