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I think it is quite hilarious to see how utterly delusional people are about the subject of migration. Probably because they never had the experience of growing

I think it is quite hilarious to see how utterly delusional people are about the subject of migration. Probably because they never had the experience of growing up in a place where a significant population were migrants and consequently having very little interactions with them or migrant classmates, friends, colleagues. Ask them how they feel about "us versus them". They will laugh at you if you tell them that they have no culture. They have a culture and they intend to protect it, of course. But at least you seem to agree that integration is a complete fantasy.

tfourb 3y ago
The point is that you are creating an image of a society fundamentally split into "natives" and "migrants" – two distinct groups that in this telling are incompatible. I am sorry about the seemingly bad experiences you've had growing up, if I understand you correctly. But they have little to do with the other people in your environment being migrants or of migratory background. You'll find similar dynamics even in contexts where migration is not prevalent but other social problems exist. Your experience is certainly real and worth to be taken seriously, but it reflects an outlier and not a fundamental problem with society in Germany. The vast majority of interactions between "immigrants" and the rest of the population are positive and productive for everyone involved, especially when you take into account that the concept of a German society is not that old to begin with and virtually every family has some form of migratory history. "Migration" as the root cause of social problems does not make any sense because it always presumes that there is something "different" about people from other places. And as someone who has been to plenty of places that most people in Germany would describe as "different," I think that's just not true. People are mostly the same everywhere and want basically the same things. "Culture" in terms of personal and collective experience certainly matters a great deal to many people, but it only becomes exclusionary if people feel challenged by the context they are living in and their culture/religion/caste/whatever provides a convenient narrative to fall back on.
LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
Regarding 'their' culture in their shops I recently came to the conclusion that large parts of them tend offer sloppy services for high prices with cheap stuff. That may not be the case for everyone, and also depend on how they perceive you, so they vary the prices according to their 'culture'. TBH they can all fuck off, I won't miss them.

tfourb 3y ago

The point is that you are creating an image of a society fundamentally split into "natives" and "migrants" – two distinct groups that in this telling are incompatible. I am sorry about the seemingly bad experiences you've had growing up, if I understand you correctly. But they have little to do with the other people in your environment being migrants or of migratory background. You'll find similar dynamics even in contexts where migration is not prevalent but other social problems exist. Your experience is certainly real and worth to be taken seriously, but it reflects an outlier and not a fundamental problem with society in Germany. The vast majority of interactions between "immigrants" and the rest of the population are positive and productive for everyone involved, especially when you take into account that the concept of a German society is not that old to begin with and virtually every family has some form of migratory history. "Migration" as the root cause of social problems does not make any sense because it always presumes that there is something "different" about people from other places. And as someone who has been to plenty of places that most people in Germany would describe as "different," I think that's just not true. People are mostly the same everywhere and want basically the same things. "Culture" in terms of personal and collective experience certainly matters a great deal to many people, but it only becomes exclusionary if people feel challenged by the context they are living in and their culture/religion/caste/whatever provides a convenient narrative to fall back on.

LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago

Regarding 'their' culture in their shops I recently came to the conclusion that large parts of them tend offer sloppy services for high prices with cheap stuff. That may not be the case for everyone, and also depend on how they perceive you, so they vary the prices according to their 'culture'. TBH they can all fuck off, I won't miss them.