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As a citizen, I am concerned. Loosely interpreted, if your machine was hacked by a 3rd party - regardless of who it was, it is then permitted for the police to

As a citizen, I am concerned. Loosely interpreted, if your machine was hacked by a 3rd party - regardless of who it was, it is then permitted for the police to hack your device in order to determine the extent of the hack. Very loosely interpreted, it also means they can go after you if your bittorrent traffic was found in the traffic of group "X". Since sometimes, it is not possible to determine which or what traffic is included. The biggest thing is the last "explanatory memorandum" that is attached to the law. While not the law itself, it is in practice how the law will be used: > the permission granted also contains authorization for, during the validity of the warrant, to also enter automated works of the person or organization targeted by the warrant, As explained in the article; > An ‘automated work’ in this specific Dutch law has an extremely broad interpretation and includes such things as phones, computers, servers, websites, databases and mailboxes. This basically means that if you are part of compromised traffic/target, then as interpreted legally, it's open season on anything you have associated to you. I really hope this doesn't become standard practice, because it will just mean widespread abuses similar to how the DMCA is used (but more sinister).

jstarfish 3y ago
> This basically means that if you are part of compromised traffic/target, then as interpreted legally, it's open season on anything you have associated to you. This is the point (also discussed in previous thread). It sucks (for some), but is only logical. I suspect this is all NL finally getting around to dealing with its reputation for being a child-porn hosting haven. The goal of this legislation does allow the cops to "break a window" so they can look at domestic hardware currently only accessible from foreign endpoints. NL cops can't get a search warrant on someone in NL when their supposed IP maps to MIT. MIT says there's no server here, just a Tor exit node. Oh well, nothing we can do! Thus, they're now allowed to hack domestically (force entry), and anybody found interacting with the child porn server they're monitoring necessarily falls under the same scope as the purveyor and rightfully becomes a target themselves. It would make no sense to say you can hack the principal target, but not any subjects subsequently implicated in criminal activity. This stuff is literally impossible to prosecute under the status quo-- the NL cops get tips but don't have cause to act (otherwise it'd just be SWAT-ing), nobody can crack the encrypted traffic, and the clients aren't necessarily resharing outside of this channel. It's a perfect closed system with solid technical and legal OPSEC. But yes, once they punish all of those who have evaded the law this way for the last two decades, they'll come for the torrenters and other petty criminals next. Thank the pedophiles for getting the party shut down.
- deafpolygon 3y ago
  Right, "think of the children". That's how these things get pushed, but in practice- they're hardly ever used for that.

jstarfish 3y ago

> This basically means that if you are part of compromised traffic/target, then as interpreted legally, it's open season on anything you have associated to you. This is the point (also discussed in previous thread). It sucks (for some), but is only logical. I suspect this is all NL finally getting around to dealing with its reputation for being a child-porn hosting haven. The goal of this legislation does allow the cops to "break a window" so they can look at domestic hardware currently only accessible from foreign endpoints. NL cops can't get a search warrant on someone in NL when their supposed IP maps to MIT. MIT says there's no server here, just a Tor exit node. Oh well, nothing we can do! Thus, they're now allowed to hack domestically (force entry), and anybody found interacting with the child porn server they're monitoring necessarily falls under the same scope as the purveyor and rightfully becomes a target themselves. It would make no sense to say you can hack the principal target, but not any subjects subsequently implicated in criminal activity. This stuff is literally impossible to prosecute under the status quo-- the NL cops get tips but don't have cause to act (otherwise it'd just be SWAT-ing), nobody can crack the encrypted traffic, and the clients aren't necessarily resharing outside of this channel. It's a perfect closed system with solid technical and legal OPSEC. But yes, once they punish all of those who have evaded the law this way for the last two decades, they'll come for the torrenters and other petty criminals next. Thank the pedophiles for getting the party shut down.

deafpolygon 3y ago
Right, "think of the children". That's how these things get pushed, but in practice- they're hardly ever used for that.