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The problem with this line of thinking is the presupposition that Reddit owns the data on its platform. The users already paid for the service by looking at ad

by RC_ITR 3y ago

The problem with this line of thinking is the presupposition that Reddit owns the data on its platform. The users already paid for the service by looking at ads and buying prizes or whatever (not to mention all the free labor that the mods give). Now Reddit wants to have full monetization control of the data that their users created and moderated. The users and moderators are then choosing to stop creating and moderating that data for Reddit. No concern trolling needed. If this were Facebook and the “hook” was first-party moderation, algorithmic recommendation, not allowing posts to be indexed on the open web, etc. then it’s more understandable, but Reddit wants it both ways (free labor, open web indexing, and complete ownership).

tracerbulletx 3y ago
The problem is they see that and think, well that's at least partially true of Google and Meta too and yet they print money. They probably know their own history and culture makes it harder for them but that must obviously be their goal or they would make no sense as a large company, if they just want to be a good host for communities they could be a company of 10-15 people and live off donations and a low level of ads. That ship has sailed. This same growth pattern has killed almost every "cool" tech company in the last 20 years.
mcmcmc 3y ago
From the Reddit TOS: > You grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content. Sure, Reddit doesn't "own" the data. But they can do whatever they want with it.
- RC_ITR 3y ago
  Sure and users have the right to stop using the site. Like I said no need to concern troll.
  - williamcotton 3y ago
    That’s not concern trolling. They just disagree with you. And that is a standard TOS for every social media site and has been so for decades. Most people seem to be fine with the exchange as exhibited by the incredible amount of content on social media websites.
    - RC_ITR 3y ago
      >At some level, people don’t want to pay for all the services they use. Maybe you didn't read the whole thread, but that's what I'm referencing. Reddit users did pay for using the site, and now they're choosing to not use it. They are not choosing to use it and not pay.
MostlyStable 3y ago
TPA users don't look at ads though. At least not for Reddit. I paid a one time fee for my app and never see _any_ ads. Before I paid the fee, the ads I saw were from the app and paid the app creator. It's clear that Reddit didn't want to come to a deal in this situation, but there was a hypothetical situation that looked very similar to what is actually happening that would have been completely reasonable. Reddit just chose not to go that route for some reason.

by RC_ITR 3y ago

tracerbulletx 3y ago

The problem is they see that and think, well that's at least partially true of Google and Meta too and yet they print money. They probably know their own history and culture makes it harder for them but that must obviously be their goal or they would make no sense as a large company, if they just want to be a good host for communities they could be a company of 10-15 people and live off donations and a low level of ads. That ship has sailed. This same growth pattern has killed almost every "cool" tech company in the last 20 years.

mcmcmc 3y ago

From the Reddit TOS: > You grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content. Sure, Reddit doesn't "own" the data. But they can do whatever they want with it.

RC_ITR 3y ago
Sure and users have the right to stop using the site. Like I said no need to concern troll.
- williamcotton 3y ago
  That’s not concern trolling. They just disagree with you. And that is a standard TOS for every social media site and has been so for decades. Most people seem to be fine with the exchange as exhibited by the incredible amount of content on social media websites.
  - RC_ITR 3y ago
    >At some level, people don’t want to pay for all the services they use. Maybe you didn't read the whole thread, but that's what I'm referencing. Reddit users did pay for using the site, and now they're choosing to not use it. They are not choosing to use it and not pay.

MostlyStable 3y ago

TPA users don't look at ads though. At least not for Reddit. I paid a one time fee for my app and never see _any_ ads. Before I paid the fee, the ads I saw were from the app and paid the app creator. It's clear that Reddit didn't want to come to a deal in this situation, but there was a hypothetical situation that looked very similar to what is actually happening that would have been completely reasonable. Reddit just chose not to go that route for some reason.