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Blue Zones, where people miraculously live longer due to fraud and poor record keeping.

by mberning 3y ago

rawoke083600 3y ago
source ?
- blakesterz 3y ago
  https://www.livescience.com/oldest-people-may-not-be-so-old.html https://www.livescience.com/oldest-people-may-not-be-so-old.... The World's Oldest People Might Not Be As Old As We Think Poor record-keeping and fraud may be inflating the numbers.
paulpauper 3y ago
yeah the concept of blue zones seems really dubious . even if they do live longer the underlying variable is probably wealth
- genocidicbunny 3y ago
  Or diet and exercise, which need not be uncorrelated with wealth, but something tells me that places like Sardinia, Okinawa and Nicaragua haven't historically been that wealthy. Especially when you consider that to have the most centenarians now, those centenarians must have been born in the first quarter of the 20th century, 100+ years ago. Whatever effect blue zones have, it's not likely to be an entirely recent one; People don't tend to suddenly gain huge amounts of life expectancy in their middle age. (Of course, this is all presupposing that the number of centenarians in those areas is not greatly exaggerated, and that there hasn't been a massive migration of centenarians from other areas to the blue zones.)
  - alanvillalobos 3y ago
    Nicoya (Costa Rica) is not Nicaragua
    - genocidicbunny 3y ago
      Whoops, you're right. The picture I saw was relatively low res and it kind looked like it was Nicaragua.
  - 0xcde4c3db 3y ago
    Or genetic mutations (which also may interact with specific lifestyle factors). At least one such mutation was identified in an Italian family that is seemingly immune to atherosclerosis [1], and the "blue zone" populations tend to be relatively small and isolated (at least before the industrial revolution). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApoA-1_Milano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApoA-1_Milano
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
    On your parenthetical, here's a hypothesis. It's kinda hard to be old in rural areas(no way to get around, limited care available, etc), which tend to be inland, whereas cities tend to be coastal or situated on a river. So I could definitely see it as plausible that the older people get, the more people move into cities, which coincidentally involves moving closer to water.

Blue Zones, where people miraculously live longer due to fraud and poor record keeping.

rawoke083600 3y ago

source ?

blakesterz 3y ago
https://www.livescience.com/oldest-people-may-not-be-so-old.html https://www.livescience.com/oldest-people-may-not-be-so-old.... The World's Oldest People Might Not Be As Old As We Think Poor record-keeping and fraud may be inflating the numbers.

paulpauper 3y ago

yeah the concept of blue zones seems really dubious . even if they do live longer the underlying variable is probably wealth

genocidicbunny 3y ago
Or diet and exercise, which need not be uncorrelated with wealth, but something tells me that places like Sardinia, Okinawa and Nicaragua haven't historically been that wealthy. Especially when you consider that to have the most centenarians now, those centenarians must have been born in the first quarter of the 20th century, 100+ years ago. Whatever effect blue zones have, it's not likely to be an entirely recent one; People don't tend to suddenly gain huge amounts of life expectancy in their middle age. (Of course, this is all presupposing that the number of centenarians in those areas is not greatly exaggerated, and that there hasn't been a massive migration of centenarians from other areas to the blue zones.)
- alanvillalobos 3y ago
  Nicoya (Costa Rica) is not Nicaragua
  - genocidicbunny 3y ago
    Whoops, you're right. The picture I saw was relatively low res and it kind looked like it was Nicaragua.
- 0xcde4c3db 3y ago
  Or genetic mutations (which also may interact with specific lifestyle factors). At least one such mutation was identified in an Italian family that is seemingly immune to atherosclerosis [1], and the "blue zone" populations tend to be relatively small and isolated (at least before the industrial revolution). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApoA-1_Milano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApoA-1_Milano
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
  On your parenthetical, here's a hypothesis. It's kinda hard to be old in rural areas(no way to get around, limited care available, etc), which tend to be inland, whereas cities tend to be coastal or situated on a river. So I could definitely see it as plausible that the older people get, the more people move into cities, which coincidentally involves moving closer to water.