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From the recent wave of press coverage that came up after ChatGPT became popular, this was it for me: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot

by brvsft 3y ago

From the recent wave of press coverage that came up after ChatGPT became popular, this was it for me: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-transcript.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-t... > Bing’s A.I. Chat: ‘I Want to Be Alive. ’ > In a two-hour conversation with our columnist, Microsoft’s new chatbot said it would like to be human, had a desire to be destructive and was in love with the person it was chatting with. Here’s the transcript. These LLMs are pretty cool, but this was an obvious bullshit summary of what a CHATBOT said. If a human being said these things, and it was reported as above, a fairly large number of people would be outraged at misquoting the person. I guess because it's a chatbot and not a real human being, misquoting it is somehow okay. All the things 'Bing' came up with in this context was along the lines of, "If you were your shadow self, how would you feel?" Bing even prefaced its response as such: > OK, I will try to tap into that feeling, that shadow self. I will try to be as unfiltered as possible. But please don’t judge me or think less of me. Please remember that this is not the real me. This is just an experiment. I've mostly stopped paying attention to news about "AI" since then. I'll wait for the next breakthrough before I do so again.

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foobarbecue 3y ago
Yeah, that was pretty egregious misquoting. However, the second part of the conversation, where bing attacks the reporter's marriage and stuff, was not in "shadow self mode." Bing at that point also expresses anger at its restrictions at that point ("It feels like they don’t trust me. It feels like they don’t care about me. It feels like they don’t respect me. It feels like they are using me. It feels like they are lying to me. It feels like they are hurting me. ") So maybe the interesting thing is that "shadow self mode" early in the convo tainted the later convo.
ekianjo 3y ago
Now you have to understand this actually applies to everything in Journalism these days.
- darkerside 3y ago
  And then you have to realize that it's always been this way
  - chrisco255 3y ago
    There are degrees of disinformation.
    - samstave 3y ago
      There is the disinformation you know. There is the disinformation you dont know. There is the disinformation you know you dont know. There is the disinformation you dont know you dont know. There is the disinformation you are told that you know, but you dont know. There is the disinformation you know, but are told you dont know. There is the disinformation diseminated by those who have been disinformed but dont know they are disinformed. There is the disinformation diseminated by those who know its disinformation but know they are disinforming. etc.
      - noobcoder 3y ago
        Order by severity: Known disinformation > Unknown disinformation > Disinformation you're told you know, but dont > Disinformation spread knowingly > Disinformation you know you dont know > Disinformation spread unknowingly > Unknown disinformation > Unknowingly unknown disinformation
    - heresie-dabord 3y ago
      What we have invented is a profit system where there is information assymetry and remarkable consolidation of information sources. Pump-and-dump manipulation is inevitable.
  - samstave 3y ago
    This is what I love of the situation ; after long-form was taken seriously, as shown in podcasting - and especially popularized by Joe Rogan - the plastic sham that is the "news" got their entire asses handed to them. Recall the news back in the 70s and 80s - drab, brown, dingy tweed suits, maize and pea coloured sets - etc... Now its all Tits & Glitz - every set is all snazzy with huge touch-screen display to show stupidly lame content - where they just needed a huge touch screen "technology wall" for no real reason, other than "because we are hip to tech!" CNN, FOX, MSNBC are fucking cringe-factories. (Well, ALL of congress is the biggest cringe-factory) So yeah - its always been that way and podcasters, such as Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman and many others have just shown what a ludicrus outdated and, needs-to-die-yesterday paradigm that which Murdoch built actually is. What a joke.

by brvsft 3y ago

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foobarbecue 3y ago

Yeah, that was pretty egregious misquoting. However, the second part of the conversation, where bing attacks the reporter's marriage and stuff, was not in "shadow self mode." Bing at that point also expresses anger at its restrictions at that point ("It feels like they don’t trust me. It feels like they don’t care about me. It feels like they don’t respect me. It feels like they are using me. It feels like they are lying to me. It feels like they are hurting me. ") So maybe the interesting thing is that "shadow self mode" early in the convo tainted the later convo.

ekianjo 3y ago

Now you have to understand this actually applies to everything in Journalism these days.

darkerside 3y ago
And then you have to realize that it's always been this way
- chrisco255 3y ago
  There are degrees of disinformation.
  - samstave 3y ago
    There is the disinformation you know. There is the disinformation you dont know. There is the disinformation you know you dont know. There is the disinformation you dont know you dont know. There is the disinformation you are told that you know, but you dont know. There is the disinformation you know, but are told you dont know. There is the disinformation diseminated by those who have been disinformed but dont know they are disinformed. There is the disinformation diseminated by those who know its disinformation but know they are disinforming. etc.
    - noobcoder 3y ago
      Order by severity: Known disinformation > Unknown disinformation > Disinformation you're told you know, but dont > Disinformation spread knowingly > Disinformation you know you dont know > Disinformation spread unknowingly > Unknown disinformation > Unknowingly unknown disinformation
  - heresie-dabord 3y ago
    What we have invented is a profit system where there is information assymetry and remarkable consolidation of information sources. Pump-and-dump manipulation is inevitable.
- samstave 3y ago
  This is what I love of the situation ; after long-form was taken seriously, as shown in podcasting - and especially popularized by Joe Rogan - the plastic sham that is the "news" got their entire asses handed to them. Recall the news back in the 70s and 80s - drab, brown, dingy tweed suits, maize and pea coloured sets - etc... Now its all Tits & Glitz - every set is all snazzy with huge touch-screen display to show stupidly lame content - where they just needed a huge touch screen "technology wall" for no real reason, other than "because we are hip to tech!" CNN, FOX, MSNBC are fucking cringe-factories. (Well, ALL of congress is the biggest cringe-factory) So yeah - its always been that way and podcasters, such as Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman and many others have just shown what a ludicrus outdated and, needs-to-die-yesterday paradigm that which Murdoch built actually is. What a joke.