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I'm honestly not convinced that this was part of MK-ULTRA, there's no hard evidence and what I think people don't really appreciate is that Psychologists (espec

I'm honestly not convinced that this was part of MK-ULTRA, there's no hard evidence and what I think people don't really appreciate is that Psychologists (especially around this time) were performing "studies" where they basically just tortured people. For example, the Stanford Prison "Experiment"

aaomidi 3y ago
How many more Mk-ultras were there that we just never found out about?
- vorpalhex 3y ago
  "Anyone who is a conspiracy theorist has clearly never been a project manager. It's impossible to get a dozen people to do the right thing, much less keep it a secret." If the CIAs most secret illicit experiment came to light, what makes you think they are meaningfully hiding more?
  - __ryan__ 3y ago
    If I know that an entity goes to great lengths to conceal secrets, why would I ever believe I know of their most secret secret?
  - ajsnigrutin 3y ago
    I disagree. Let's say I work on a project where we keep Elvis alive in a super secret bunker in antarctica. What can I do? Call the cnn and tell them? Make a post on 4chan? Make such a claim here? Look, I'm leaking top secret info, and nothing will happen. Until CIA officially admits keeping Elvis there, noone will believe me... (except a few conspiracy theorists, branded as nutjobs by the general public).
    - roge7331 3y ago
      Let's just say... You are not that far off. 36 272
  - some_random 3y ago
    IIRC it came to light when documents that were supposed to be shredded were declassified by mistake. The government has shown that it's actually really good at keeping secrets, or at least keeping things quiet. Elsewhere in this thread there's the discussion of a possible FBI program to get people to commit mass shootings that's widely considered to be a crazy conspiracy theory despite there being individual documented examples ie https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/politics/aby-rayyan-fbi-terror-sting-pizza-man/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/politics/aby-rayyan-fbi-terro... My whole thing with MK-ULTRA and Ted is that researchers were happy to do stuff as damaging and way less (potentially) useful than his experiment.
    - abarker 3y ago
      It came to light because some financial records were sent to the CIA's Retired Records Center for some reason and escaped destruction. See page 5 of [1]. [1] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/hearings/95mkultra.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/hear...
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  - aaomidi 3y ago
    How do you know it was their most secret experiment?
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aaomidi 3y ago

How many more Mk-ultras were there that we just never found out about?

vorpalhex 3y ago
"Anyone who is a conspiracy theorist has clearly never been a project manager. It's impossible to get a dozen people to do the right thing, much less keep it a secret." If the CIAs most secret illicit experiment came to light, what makes you think they are meaningfully hiding more?
- __ryan__ 3y ago
  If I know that an entity goes to great lengths to conceal secrets, why would I ever believe I know of their most secret secret?
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  I disagree. Let's say I work on a project where we keep Elvis alive in a super secret bunker in antarctica. What can I do? Call the cnn and tell them? Make a post on 4chan? Make such a claim here? Look, I'm leaking top secret info, and nothing will happen. Until CIA officially admits keeping Elvis there, noone will believe me... (except a few conspiracy theorists, branded as nutjobs by the general public).
  - roge7331 3y ago
    Let's just say... You are not that far off. 36 272
- some_random 3y ago
  IIRC it came to light when documents that were supposed to be shredded were declassified by mistake. The government has shown that it's actually really good at keeping secrets, or at least keeping things quiet. Elsewhere in this thread there's the discussion of a possible FBI program to get people to commit mass shootings that's widely considered to be a crazy conspiracy theory despite there being individual documented examples ie https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/politics/aby-rayyan-fbi-terror-sting-pizza-man/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/politics/aby-rayyan-fbi-terro... My whole thing with MK-ULTRA and Ted is that researchers were happy to do stuff as damaging and way less (potentially) useful than his experiment.
  - abarker 3y ago
    It came to light because some financial records were sent to the CIA's Retired Records Center for some reason and escaped destruction. See page 5 of [1]. [1] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/hearings/95mkultra.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/hear...
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- aaomidi 3y ago
  How do you know it was their most secret experiment?
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