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It may be the case, but you don't know me, and by your own admission have never lived in Germany, so you cannot possibly reasonably ply your cod psychoanalysis

It may be the case, but you don't know me, and by your own admission have never lived in Germany, so you cannot possibly reasonably ply your cod psychoanalysis on me. I can only speak of my own experiences and describe to you what it is like. It's up to you if you want to simply discard everything I say, blame everything on me and completely absolve German society or not. That would be a very German thing to do, after all ;) I could talk at further length about it, but I guess I am not predisposed to do so, because it's clear you've already made your mind up, and it's not so enjoyable to discuss German society with someone who has no idea about German society and yet clearly has very strong opinions on it!

throwaway290 3y ago
I don't know you but I know me and many things you describe were a frustration at first until I tried to empathize with people around. Also I don't blame everything on you, just pointing out you have agency, can change your social circles and find friendlier people, and feeling entitled is not always the best strategy ;)
- twixfel 3y ago
  I think the difficulty here is that I would like to talk to you about German society and try to engage with you and have a discussion, but you don't know anything abut German society, so it's somewhat pointless for me to do so. And in the end anything I say you will likely respond with "yeah that's all in your head and you're projecting", which is ultimately groundless (even if it's true! because you've never lived in Germany and you don't know me) and extremely patronising. So in the end the discussion would be a waste of time. All I will say is that I appreciate that I have agency and despite the difficulties I have outlined above, I continue to learn the language, and I continue to go out and engage with people of all sorts, and to generally live my life. So whatever picture you painted of me in your head, I think somehow it's not really grounded in reality. On the issue of my supposed "entitlement", I only hope to be treated in the way I treat people myself. I am not looking for special treatment, only treatment with some degree of the empathy you say is so important for me to have!

throwaway290 3y ago

I don't know you but I know me and many things you describe were a frustration at first until I tried to empathize with people around. Also I don't blame everything on you, just pointing out you have agency, can change your social circles and find friendlier people, and feeling entitled is not always the best strategy ;)

twixfel 3y ago
I think the difficulty here is that I would like to talk to you about German society and try to engage with you and have a discussion, but you don't know anything abut German society, so it's somewhat pointless for me to do so. And in the end anything I say you will likely respond with "yeah that's all in your head and you're projecting", which is ultimately groundless (even if it's true! because you've never lived in Germany and you don't know me) and extremely patronising. So in the end the discussion would be a waste of time. All I will say is that I appreciate that I have agency and despite the difficulties I have outlined above, I continue to learn the language, and I continue to go out and engage with people of all sorts, and to generally live my life. So whatever picture you painted of me in your head, I think somehow it's not really grounded in reality. On the issue of my supposed "entitlement", I only hope to be treated in the way I treat people myself. I am not looking for special treatment, only treatment with some degree of the empathy you say is so important for me to have!