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Recycling is still polluting a lot (from transports, energy, resources, emissions) and it's not handling that much material, and only a couple cycles between di

Recycling is still polluting a lot (from transports, energy, resources, emissions) and it's not handling that much material, and only a couple cycles between different plastics classes. EV also is also polluting on the same order of magnitude than fossil fuel cars. You can avoid plastic wrappings, and use more you legs (walk, bike) without going full primitive. That's really the problem, how did industry managed to make people think recycling and EV is ecology? The power of ads and communication, because it's not

hutzlibu 3y ago
"That's really the problem, how did industry managed to make people think recycling and EV is ecology? " Because it can be ecology, if done right. Garbage has to be moved anyway. So if you move all the cans (alluminium) to one place and resmelt it, than this is definitely less ressource intense, than mining new alluminium and shipping it.
- 11235813213455 3y ago
  > Garbage has to be moved anyway It has to be reduced drastically first (buying local, avoiding plastic packaging, composting food wastes separately (what a shame to send that to an incinerator) Aluminium cans (their paints however is toxic), or glass bottles is the best case, but most of the time it's plastic bottles (for water, which is nonsensical, people should use tap water, or soft drinks, or juices, both unhealthy products)
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    "composting food wastes separately (what a shame to send that to an incinerator)" We in germany don't. Otherwise sure. Reuse, reduce, recycle. And I think it is ok, if in the process of transitioning from not caring and throwing all in the bin - towards sustainability, that there will be also lots of stupid things done in the name of ecology. (I have seen so much waste and inefficency, by people who think they do good) But it is all experimenting, on what works and what doesn't. Socially and economically. I am actually optimistic, that we get towards a sustainable society eventually, but I don't think, I will live that long.
    - 11235813213455 3y ago
      Me too, I'm optimistic, things will self-balance naturally, in a more or less brutal way, I'm not afraid or anxious at all, living day by day. For polluting less, what sure works is to buy less, possess less things
School-Cotton 3y ago
This is all true, but what does it have to do with my comment?

hutzlibu 3y ago

"That's really the problem, how did industry managed to make people think recycling and EV is ecology? " Because it can be ecology, if done right. Garbage has to be moved anyway. So if you move all the cans (alluminium) to one place and resmelt it, than this is definitely less ressource intense, than mining new alluminium and shipping it.

11235813213455 3y ago
> Garbage has to be moved anyway It has to be reduced drastically first (buying local, avoiding plastic packaging, composting food wastes separately (what a shame to send that to an incinerator) Aluminium cans (their paints however is toxic), or glass bottles is the best case, but most of the time it's plastic bottles (for water, which is nonsensical, people should use tap water, or soft drinks, or juices, both unhealthy products)
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  "composting food wastes separately (what a shame to send that to an incinerator)" We in germany don't. Otherwise sure. Reuse, reduce, recycle. And I think it is ok, if in the process of transitioning from not caring and throwing all in the bin - towards sustainability, that there will be also lots of stupid things done in the name of ecology. (I have seen so much waste and inefficency, by people who think they do good) But it is all experimenting, on what works and what doesn't. Socially and economically. I am actually optimistic, that we get towards a sustainable society eventually, but I don't think, I will live that long.
  - 11235813213455 3y ago
    Me too, I'm optimistic, things will self-balance naturally, in a more or less brutal way, I'm not afraid or anxious at all, living day by day. For polluting less, what sure works is to buy less, possess less things

School-Cotton 3y ago

This is all true, but what does it have to do with my comment?