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Which might be ok for the surrounding land, but isn't fine for the inhabitants of the city.

by c00lio 3y ago

AstralStorm 3y ago
Depending on how the outskirts of the city are managed, it can be fine for inhabitants. Too small living quarters are the problem, not the density.
- c00lio 3y ago
  Nonsense. The inner city being a concrete hellscape isn't being helped by nicer parts on the outskirts. How would you improve density if you aren't shrinking the space people live in?
  - throw0101b 3y ago
    > Nonsense. The inner city being a concrete hellscape isn't being helped by nicer parts on the outskirts. Why would the inner city need to be a "concrete hellscape"? You can have decent density without 'concrete hellscapes'. The Oh the Urbanity channel has a video on the (misguided/misinformed) idea that "urban living" = Manhattan / Hong Kong apartment blocks: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmz-fgp24E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmz-fgp24E Want a front yard, back yard, and garage (attached to a laneway)? Plenty of that was built pre-WW2: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcar_suburb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcar_suburb * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0&t=1m8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0&t=1m8s Examples (Streetview): * https://www.google.com/maps/place/125+Hampton+Ave,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/125+Hampton+Ave,+Toronto,+... * https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Geoffrey+St,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Geoffrey+St,+Toronto,+O... * https://www.google.com/maps/place/70+Jackman+Ave+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/70+Jackman+Ave+Toronto,+ON
    - c00lio 3y ago
      The examples you've shown are north american. For almost all European cities to arrive at the density of those examples, you have do lower it. By a lot.
throw0101b 3y ago
> Which might be ok for the surrounding land, but isn't fine for the inhabitants of the city. Even when the "surrounding land" is a 15-20 minute bicycle ride away, or a hoping on a train to smaller a little farther away (or perhaps have train stations at Nature preserves)? Or perhaps green spaces like New York's Central Park or Toronto's Leslie Street Spit: * https://tommythompsonpark.ca/about/ https://tommythompsonpark.ca/about/ * https://www.google.com/search?as_q=Leslie+Street+Spit&as_st=y&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?as_q=Leslie+Street+Spit&as_st=... regularly interspersed between housing. Toronto used to have a number of rivers/ravines that got filled in for housing: * https://www.blogto.com/city/2014/02/5_lost_rivers_that_run_under_toronto/ https://www.blogto.com/city/2014/02/5_lost_rivers_that_run_u... * https://www.lostrivers.ca https://www.lostrivers.ca
- c00lio 3y ago
  Totally insufficient. People need a green outlook out of their windows, surrounding greenery is linked to various kinds of psychological goodness. Having to commute to an overcrowded, dirty, needle-ridden park or outskirt somewhere isn't an option. And for wildlife, continuous bands of greenery and routes of migration with only small interruptions (like street crossings) are necessary. Isolated islands are almost useless.

Which might be ok for the surrounding land, but isn't fine for the inhabitants of the city.

by c00lio 3y ago

Which might be ok for the surrounding land, but isn't fine for the inhabitants of the city.

Depending on how the outskirts of the city are managed, it can be fine for inhabitants. Too small living quarters are the problem, not the density.

c00lio 3y ago
Nonsense. The inner city being a concrete hellscape isn't being helped by nicer parts on the outskirts. How would you improve density if you aren't shrinking the space people live in?
- throw0101b 3y ago
  > Nonsense. The inner city being a concrete hellscape isn't being helped by nicer parts on the outskirts. Why would the inner city need to be a "concrete hellscape"? You can have decent density without 'concrete hellscapes'. The Oh the Urbanity channel has a video on the (misguided/misinformed) idea that "urban living" = Manhattan / Hong Kong apartment blocks: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmz-fgp24E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmz-fgp24E Want a front yard, back yard, and garage (attached to a laneway)? Plenty of that was built pre-WW2: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcar_suburb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcar_suburb * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0&t=1m8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0&t=1m8s Examples (Streetview): * https://www.google.com/maps/place/125+Hampton+Ave,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/125+Hampton+Ave,+Toronto,+... * https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Geoffrey+St,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Geoffrey+St,+Toronto,+O... * https://www.google.com/maps/place/70+Jackman+Ave+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/70+Jackman+Ave+Toronto,+ON
  - c00lio 3y ago
    The examples you've shown are north american. For almost all European cities to arrive at the density of those examples, you have do lower it. By a lot.

throw0101b 3y ago

> Which might be ok for the surrounding land, but isn't fine for the inhabitants of the city. Even when the "surrounding land" is a 15-20 minute bicycle ride away, or a hoping on a train to smaller a little farther away (or perhaps have train stations at Nature preserves)? Or perhaps green spaces like New York's Central Park or Toronto's Leslie Street Spit: * https://tommythompsonpark.ca/about/ https://tommythompsonpark.ca/about/ * https://www.google.com/search?as_q=Leslie+Street+Spit&as_st=y&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?as_q=Leslie+Street+Spit&as_st=... regularly interspersed between housing. Toronto used to have a number of rivers/ravines that got filled in for housing: * https://www.blogto.com/city/2014/02/5_lost_rivers_that_run_under_toronto/ https://www.blogto.com/city/2014/02/5_lost_rivers_that_run_u... * https://www.lostrivers.ca https://www.lostrivers.ca

c00lio 3y ago
Totally insufficient. People need a green outlook out of their windows, surrounding greenery is linked to various kinds of psychological goodness. Having to commute to an overcrowded, dirty, needle-ridden park or outskirt somewhere isn't an option. And for wildlife, continuous bands of greenery and routes of migration with only small interruptions (like street crossings) are necessary. Isolated islands are almost useless.