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> Indeed, hence the title of the referenced study report: "European cooperation could provide more stable wind power". "more stable" isn't "perfectly stable". >
by _hypx 3y ago
> Indeed, hence the title of the referenced study report: "European cooperation could provide more stable wind power". "more stable" isn't "perfectly stable".
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> As its contents shows 'neighbor' is to be understood as 'European-wide'.
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> There is no panacea/magic bullet/nirvana, each complex system uses many partial solutions, and is it true for the existing electrical grid system. Rejecting a partial solution because it doesn't solve the problem is a well-known trick: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy
Except no one has been promoting that argument at all! You’re been tilting at windmills this whole time. The point is that green hydrogen is necessary to fill the gaps between availability of wind and solar. It is not the only solution, but not having it is impossible.
- natmaka 3y ago> no one has been promoting that argument You wrote (above) "Which still doesn't solve the issue of intermittency at all". As the study shows that spreading production units on the continent is a partial solution to intermittency it sounded to me as a nirvana fallacy. Yes, I also think that green hydrogen will be a major component of the solution (along with V2G), and never denied it.
- _hypx 3y agoNow you're playing semantics games. Saying "it does not solve the issue of intermittency at all" does not mean it cannot be a partial solution. The main point is that hydrogen does solve the issue, as a full solution, whereas all the others are just partial solutions.
- natmaka 3y agoIMHO "it does not solve the issue of intermittency at all" is a nirvana fallacy. Reducing the effects of intermittency on production by bumping up the throughput of interconnections (in order to aggregate production on a vast geographical scale) which are otherwise needed (continuity of service and optimization) will be very useful because: - many sectors (industry, agriculture...) need hydrogen, which is nowadays obtained through dirty processes => green hydrogen will be in high demand (not only for grid backup) - storing huge amounts of hydrogen isn't possible right now (progress towards salt caverns storage is slow) and may never be
- _hypx 3y agoWrong. It solves it completely if you wanted to. This is Ludditism, pure and simple. > - storing huge amounts of hydrogen isn't possible right now (progress towards salt caverns storage is slow) and may never be Wrong. We have been doing this for decades. This is a solved problem. You are utterly misinformed here.
- natmaka 3y ago> It solves it completely Source? Reality: not a single nation enjoys an 100% hydrogen electricity grid backup system. >> storing huge amounts of hydrogen isn't possible right now > We have been doing this for decades Source? Reality: not a single nation stores hydrogen in huge amounts for its electricity backup system. Those as mere pilot projects, such as https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/08/04/worlds-largest-underground-hydrogen-storage-project/ https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/08/04/worlds-largest-underg...