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I don't know the US, but in Europe supervisors definitely can take control - at least for acceleration / breaking. I also think Tesla's approach is the most ef

I don't know the US, but in Europe supervisors definitely can take control - at least for acceleration / breaking. I also think Tesla's approach is the most efficient one, however I do have a problem with their advertising, which is misleading to say the least. I think we kind of all agree it's a beta version, and they 'develop it in the open'. But it's been at least 5 years they say it's pretty much FSD - their first video where they say 'the driver is there only for legal reasons' was in 2016 ! Same goes for accidents data - they don't publish raw data, that would allow some fair comparisons. Instead they publish bullshit charts which are extremely biased.

kwhitefoot 3y ago
When I took my sons out to practice driving I most certainly could not take control.
onethought 3y ago
But no one publishes detailed data. Every time I hear anti Tesla/Elon chatter, Tesla is always being held to a higher standard than other companies. FSD naming, nvidia call their Chauffeur, which is way more misleading to me. You have Blue Cruise which means nothing. Audi don’t call theirs anything and just talk about the features which I think is your preference. I don’t believe anyone has bought a Tesla not understanding exactly what FSD does and don’t do, are people being misled?
- TheAlchemist 3y ago
  Uh, you are joking here right ? Tesla uses extremely deceiving marketing (and same goes for investor relations) regarding a lot of their products lately - FSD being one of them. It's called Full Self Driving... Is that misleading ? How do you interpret this name ? Are people being misled ? I don't know. But, last year California did pass a law explicitly aimed at Tesla bullshit. Again, I do think, from society perspective, it's rational thing to do - to 'test in the open' - especially that there are not that much accidents (although the numbers are much worse that Tesla would like people to believe - when you compare apples to apples, there are more accidents per mile with Tesla FSD than with human drivers). What bothers me is their aggressive and misleading marketing, and the fact that they get away with something other companies do not.

kwhitefoot 3y ago

When I took my sons out to practice driving I most certainly could not take control.

onethought 3y ago

But no one publishes detailed data. Every time I hear anti Tesla/Elon chatter, Tesla is always being held to a higher standard than other companies. FSD naming, nvidia call their Chauffeur, which is way more misleading to me. You have Blue Cruise which means nothing. Audi don’t call theirs anything and just talk about the features which I think is your preference. I don’t believe anyone has bought a Tesla not understanding exactly what FSD does and don’t do, are people being misled?

TheAlchemist 3y ago
Uh, you are joking here right ? Tesla uses extremely deceiving marketing (and same goes for investor relations) regarding a lot of their products lately - FSD being one of them. It's called Full Self Driving... Is that misleading ? How do you interpret this name ? Are people being misled ? I don't know. But, last year California did pass a law explicitly aimed at Tesla bullshit. Again, I do think, from society perspective, it's rational thing to do - to 'test in the open' - especially that there are not that much accidents (although the numbers are much worse that Tesla would like people to believe - when you compare apples to apples, there are more accidents per mile with Tesla FSD than with human drivers). What bothers me is their aggressive and misleading marketing, and the fact that they get away with something other companies do not.