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I wonder how you are supposed to assimilate the immigrants when they are more than 40% of all students, not to mention 70 to 90%.

sprash 3y ago
You won't and that is the point. A population without social cohesion is easily governed.
- twixfel 3y ago
  That's not true at all. Germany is easily governed already.
  - sprash 3y ago
    Indeed. The social cohesion in Germany was bad to begin with. This is what happens when you are occupied territory for more than 70 years. But mass immigration destroys the last glimmer of hope for self governance.
    - twixfel 3y ago
      None of that makes any sense. Having Western military bases in Germany harms social cohesion? What? Social cohesion in Germany is high anyway. Nothing you say makes any sense, the conclusions and reasoning are both wrong. You're not a serious person. Also people like you normally argue that more immigrants means more disorder, so I am really not convinced your stance is even remotely coherent.
      - sprash 3y ago
        Occupying forces are in control of the state media obviously. But since their influence on people blow 70 years of age is going to zero fast more migrants are needed. And having experienced mass migration first hand I can assure you: more immigrants means more disorder, more violence, more cost for social net, less quality of life and lower wages across the board. My experience with migrants is 100% universally bad. And I'm absolutely serious about that.
        twixfel 3y ago
        Ah yes, obviously, of course. > more immigrants means more disorder, more violence, more cost for social net, Strange, you literally just insisted immigration would make Germany easier to govern. Difficult to take you seriously.
        sprash 3y ago
        "divide et impera" is not exactly a new concept. Maybe you should brush up your greek philosophy.
        twixfel 3y ago
        Lol
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  Looking at France, with its assortment of violent movements and protests and ever growing ethnic plurality ... your theory seems to have some flaws.
  - sprash 3y ago
    Obviously not. Thanks to "plurality" people are occupied with fighting each other instead for themselves against rulers that repeatedly act against their interests.
geraneum 3y ago
It say in schools “where” 70 to 90 percent have immigrant background. I don’t think it means that portion of all students everywhere on average have immigration backgrounds.
- manuel_w 3y ago
  There doesn't seem to be accurate data available, but surveys show it's around 39%. [1] I wouldn't be surprised if the German government doesn't collect reliable data on purpose. Original text: > Wie viele Schüler in Deutschland einen "Migrationshintergrund" haben, ist nicht ohne Weiteres zu beantworten. Denn die Datenlage ist lückenhaft und die Ergebnisse sind häufig nicht miteinander vergleichbar. > Laut Mikrozensus hatte 2021 über ein Drittel (rund 39 Prozent) der Schüler*innen an allgemeinbildenden und beruflichen Schulen in Deutschland einen Migrationshintergrund. Die Daten des Mikrozensus basieren jedoch nicht auf der amtlichen Schulstatistik, sondern auf einer repräsentativen Befragung von rund 810.000 Personen. Die Ergebnisse werden hochgerechnet. English translation through Google: > How many schoolchildren in Germany have a "migrant background" cannot be answered without further ado. The data situation is incomplete and the results are often not comparable with one another. > According to the 2021 microcensus, more than a third (around 39 percent) of students at general and vocational schools in Germany had a migration background. However, the microcensus data is not based on the official school statistics, but on a representative survey of around 810,000 people. The results are extrapolated. [1] https://mediendienst-integration.de/integration/schule.html https://mediendienst-integration.de/integration/schule.html
  - Someone 3y ago
    That’s for a fairly broad definition of “migration background”. Everyone who wasn’t born a German citizen or has at least one parent who wasn’t a German citizen at their birth qualifies (“Wer die deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit nicht durch Geburt besitzt oder mindestens einen Elternteil hat, bei dem das der Fall ist, hat einen "Migrationshintergrund".”) For example, Angela Merkel’s mother was born in Danzig in 1928. That wasn’t part of Germany at the time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig), so chances are she wasn’t born with German citizenship. If so, Angela Merkel has a migration background according to that definition. For primary school kids, I would guess many of them are children of people who have lived and worked in Germany for decades.
constantcrying 3y ago
You do not. From a cultural standpoint the only visible trend I have ever seen is German kids picking up migrant trends. Of course after over a decade most children come out of it with enough German. But that is integration only on the thinnest level imaginable.
- tfourb 3y ago
  I went to school with children of Italian, Portuguese, Turkish and Greek backgrounds (mostly the parent generation migrated) and none of them were distinguishable in terms of "broad" culture from those whose grandparents were born in Germany. Not sure what kind of "migrant trends" you are talking about. The most prevalent cultural influence in my school time was probably MTV and the local "Landjugend" and in my sons' kindergarten and primary school its (sadly) Paw Patrol. Yes, some very specific school districts in urban centers are predominantly migrant and there are cultural ramifications to that. But that is a fraction of German schools.
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    >Not sure what kind of "migrant trends" you are talking about I don't know where you live, but here Arabic and Turkish Music (especially "rap" performed by these groups), attitudes and even language (I regularly hear turkish/arabic slang) clearly have a large influence outside of their respective migrant cultures. >I went to school with children of Italian, Portuguese, Turkish and Greek backgrounds (mostly the parent generation migrated) and none of them were distinguishable in terms of "broad" culture from those whose grandparents were born in Germany. I had a simmilar experience in my school. But we also had a lower tier school right next to us where that clearly was not the case. And there Turkish/Arabic influence was very clearly greater than any German one.
    - oaiey 3y ago
      Well, there is a bias there. If you would ask the parents of the migrant kids you would get a statement that they lost 80% of their culture. A mixture is to be expected and is a necessity for human and society evolvement.

sprash 3y ago

You won't and that is the point. A population without social cohesion is easily governed.

twixfel 3y ago
That's not true at all. Germany is easily governed already.
- sprash 3y ago
  Indeed. The social cohesion in Germany was bad to begin with. This is what happens when you are occupied territory for more than 70 years. But mass immigration destroys the last glimmer of hope for self governance.
  - twixfel 3y ago
    None of that makes any sense. Having Western military bases in Germany harms social cohesion? What? Social cohesion in Germany is high anyway. Nothing you say makes any sense, the conclusions and reasoning are both wrong. You're not a serious person. Also people like you normally argue that more immigrants means more disorder, so I am really not convinced your stance is even remotely coherent.
    - sprash 3y ago
      Occupying forces are in control of the state media obviously. But since their influence on people blow 70 years of age is going to zero fast more migrants are needed. And having experienced mass migration first hand I can assure you: more immigrants means more disorder, more violence, more cost for social net, less quality of life and lower wages across the board. My experience with migrants is 100% universally bad. And I'm absolutely serious about that.
      - twixfel 3y ago
        Ah yes, obviously, of course. > more immigrants means more disorder, more violence, more cost for social net, Strange, you literally just insisted immigration would make Germany easier to govern. Difficult to take you seriously.
        sprash 3y ago
        "divide et impera" is not exactly a new concept. Maybe you should brush up your greek philosophy.
        twixfel 3y ago
        Lol
inglor_cz 3y ago
Looking at France, with its assortment of violent movements and protests and ever growing ethnic plurality ... your theory seems to have some flaws.
- sprash 3y ago
  Obviously not. Thanks to "plurality" people are occupied with fighting each other instead for themselves against rulers that repeatedly act against their interests.

geraneum 3y ago

It say in schools “where” 70 to 90 percent have immigrant background. I don’t think it means that portion of all students everywhere on average have immigration backgrounds.

manuel_w 3y ago
There doesn't seem to be accurate data available, but surveys show it's around 39%. [1] I wouldn't be surprised if the German government doesn't collect reliable data on purpose. Original text: > Wie viele Schüler in Deutschland einen "Migrationshintergrund" haben, ist nicht ohne Weiteres zu beantworten. Denn die Datenlage ist lückenhaft und die Ergebnisse sind häufig nicht miteinander vergleichbar. > Laut Mikrozensus hatte 2021 über ein Drittel (rund 39 Prozent) der Schüler*innen an allgemeinbildenden und beruflichen Schulen in Deutschland einen Migrationshintergrund. Die Daten des Mikrozensus basieren jedoch nicht auf der amtlichen Schulstatistik, sondern auf einer repräsentativen Befragung von rund 810.000 Personen. Die Ergebnisse werden hochgerechnet. English translation through Google: > How many schoolchildren in Germany have a "migrant background" cannot be answered without further ado. The data situation is incomplete and the results are often not comparable with one another. > According to the 2021 microcensus, more than a third (around 39 percent) of students at general and vocational schools in Germany had a migration background. However, the microcensus data is not based on the official school statistics, but on a representative survey of around 810,000 people. The results are extrapolated. [1] https://mediendienst-integration.de/integration/schule.html https://mediendienst-integration.de/integration/schule.html
- Someone 3y ago
  That’s for a fairly broad definition of “migration background”. Everyone who wasn’t born a German citizen or has at least one parent who wasn’t a German citizen at their birth qualifies (“Wer die deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit nicht durch Geburt besitzt oder mindestens einen Elternteil hat, bei dem das der Fall ist, hat einen "Migrationshintergrund".”) For example, Angela Merkel’s mother was born in Danzig in 1928. That wasn’t part of Germany at the time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig), so chances are she wasn’t born with German citizenship. If so, Angela Merkel has a migration background according to that definition. For primary school kids, I would guess many of them are children of people who have lived and worked in Germany for decades.

constantcrying 3y ago

You do not. From a cultural standpoint the only visible trend I have ever seen is German kids picking up migrant trends. Of course after over a decade most children come out of it with enough German. But that is integration only on the thinnest level imaginable.

tfourb 3y ago
I went to school with children of Italian, Portuguese, Turkish and Greek backgrounds (mostly the parent generation migrated) and none of them were distinguishable in terms of "broad" culture from those whose grandparents were born in Germany. Not sure what kind of "migrant trends" you are talking about. The most prevalent cultural influence in my school time was probably MTV and the local "Landjugend" and in my sons' kindergarten and primary school its (sadly) Paw Patrol. Yes, some very specific school districts in urban centers are predominantly migrant and there are cultural ramifications to that. But that is a fraction of German schools.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  >Not sure what kind of "migrant trends" you are talking about I don't know where you live, but here Arabic and Turkish Music (especially "rap" performed by these groups), attitudes and even language (I regularly hear turkish/arabic slang) clearly have a large influence outside of their respective migrant cultures. >I went to school with children of Italian, Portuguese, Turkish and Greek backgrounds (mostly the parent generation migrated) and none of them were distinguishable in terms of "broad" culture from those whose grandparents were born in Germany. I had a simmilar experience in my school. But we also had a lower tier school right next to us where that clearly was not the case. And there Turkish/Arabic influence was very clearly greater than any German one.
  - oaiey 3y ago
    Well, there is a bias there. If you would ask the parents of the migrant kids you would get a statement that they lost 80% of their culture. A mixture is to be expected and is a necessity for human and society evolvement.