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> WTF the CIA was doing in Brazil in the early 2010s! Wasn't the Military dictatorship in Brazil enough! Not to justify the CIA or anything, but that's exactly

> WTF the CIA was doing in Brazil in the early 2010s! Wasn't the Military dictatorship in Brazil enough! Not to justify the CIA or anything, but that's exactly where I would most expect them to be actively conducting covert operations

cm2187 3y ago
These seems to be related to intelligence gathering. The CIA like all other intelligence services in the world gather intelligence on any country of interest. Including on most european allies.
- KirillPanov 3y ago
  I'm going to start describing ransomware gangs as merely "gathering" cryptocurrency.
fit2rule 3y ago
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cirosantilli 3y ago
Why "most expect"? Certainly there would have been greater focus on dictatorships/war zones? The target of websites found so far support this. I can understand the desire to gather intelligence from every other nation, even allies. But I do believe it's a bad idea. E.g. Brazil seems to be aligning with China more and more... largely economic driven. But no need to also give it political backing.
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- oilchange 3y ago
  > I can understand the desire to gather intelligence from every other nation, even allies. But I do believe it's a bad idea. Intelligence agencies primarily spy on 'allies'. The biggest spy rings in the US are our "allies" - british, canadian, israeli, japanese, korean, etc. The biggest spy rings the soviet union had were in poland, ukraine, hungary, etc - aka their "allies". We have an infinitely larger spy ring in south korea than in north korea because holding onto an "ally" like south korea is far more important than converting an "enemy" like north korea. It's why we demanded all our "allies" stop using huwaei tech because it would prevent us from spying on our allies. It wasn't about china spying on our "allies". Who cares about that? It's about our ability to spy on them. The naive watch silly hollywood movies and think that's reality. Most of the spying during the cold war wasn't between the US and Soviet Union. It was mostly between warsaw pact "allies" and between NATO "allies". > Brazil seems to be aligning with China more and more... They should. Brazil's enemy is the US, not China. Might want to read up on the Monroe Doctrine. Think about it. The country that wants to keep brazil in check isn't china. It's the US. If Brazil has ambitions of being a major power, then it makes them our enemy and vice versa.
closewith 3y ago
To be clear, in the period in question, Brazil was (and is) a democracy. The military dictatorship mentioned is the 1964 _Golpe_ or coup, which may have been partially instigated by US intelligence services. The resulting military dictatorship was immediately recognised by the US and was responsible for innumerable human rights abuses until it fell in 1985. This dictatorship and the US support for it is one of the main reasons that Brazil remains suspicious of the US and a primary driver behind it's continuing courtship of Russia and China.

cm2187 3y ago

These seems to be related to intelligence gathering. The CIA like all other intelligence services in the world gather intelligence on any country of interest. Including on most european allies.

KirillPanov 3y ago
I'm going to start describing ransomware gangs as merely "gathering" cryptocurrency.

fit2rule 3y ago

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cirosantilli 3y ago

Why "most expect"? Certainly there would have been greater focus on dictatorships/war zones? The target of websites found so far support this. I can understand the desire to gather intelligence from every other nation, even allies. But I do believe it's a bad idea. E.g. Brazil seems to be aligning with China more and more... largely economic driven. But no need to also give it political backing.

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oilchange 3y ago
> I can understand the desire to gather intelligence from every other nation, even allies. But I do believe it's a bad idea. Intelligence agencies primarily spy on 'allies'. The biggest spy rings in the US are our "allies" - british, canadian, israeli, japanese, korean, etc. The biggest spy rings the soviet union had were in poland, ukraine, hungary, etc - aka their "allies". We have an infinitely larger spy ring in south korea than in north korea because holding onto an "ally" like south korea is far more important than converting an "enemy" like north korea. It's why we demanded all our "allies" stop using huwaei tech because it would prevent us from spying on our allies. It wasn't about china spying on our "allies". Who cares about that? It's about our ability to spy on them. The naive watch silly hollywood movies and think that's reality. Most of the spying during the cold war wasn't between the US and Soviet Union. It was mostly between warsaw pact "allies" and between NATO "allies". > Brazil seems to be aligning with China more and more... They should. Brazil's enemy is the US, not China. Might want to read up on the Monroe Doctrine. Think about it. The country that wants to keep brazil in check isn't china. It's the US. If Brazil has ambitions of being a major power, then it makes them our enemy and vice versa.

closewith 3y ago

To be clear, in the period in question, Brazil was (and is) a democracy. The military dictatorship mentioned is the 1964 _Golpe_ or coup, which may have been partially instigated by US intelligence services. The resulting military dictatorship was immediately recognised by the US and was responsible for innumerable human rights abuses until it fell in 1985. This dictatorship and the US support for it is one of the main reasons that Brazil remains suspicious of the US and a primary driver behind it's continuing courtship of Russia and China.