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If anyone's in for a long read, despite the hokey sounding name, I found this to be one of the best contemporaneous explorations of Covid in china that I've see

If anyone's in for a long read, despite the hokey sounding name, I found this to be one of the best contemporaneous explorations of Covid in china that I've seen to date: https://project-evidence.github.io/ https://project-evidence.github.io/

th0ma5 3y ago
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- hayst4ck 3y ago
  Because exploring the truth is a worthwhile endeavor particularly in the face of an oppressive regime that made it very clear they did not want the truth to be explored. Just to be clear what I posted seemed like Chinese people exploring what actually happened more than a blame based document or fear mongering based document. I would really encourage you to give it a chance because it is very impressive investigative work and, really, an impressive exercise of investigative journalism from a country that hates investigative journalists.
  - th0ma5 3y ago
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    - xcv123 3y ago
      You are spamming this thread. Looks like you are working for the CCP. Don't make it too obvious.
      - th0ma5 3y ago
        Lol. If the treatment of their own people wasn't bad enough and it took a pandemic conspiracy theory to hate them, then I feel like you need to read more.
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    - hayst4ck 3y ago
      The purpose of that article is not to bring down china. It's not ideologically opposed to china. It was not some conservative agenda article. It's a group of people who want to understand what happened. The article comes from a stance of curiosity. What I linked is very compatible with the HN mindset and not particularly ideological. You clearly have not read it because your comment makes no sense in the context of that article. If you don't want to be curious then don't be.
      - th0ma5 3y ago
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- cheaprentalyeti 3y ago
  Because if we're relying on the people who are funding bioweapons research in hostile countries to tell us how to treat said viruses, under the delusion that they'd learn something useful, it's the kind of thing we need to know about before waking up three years later and finding out (per the Northwestern study) that we could have avoided a lot of deaths by simply following the sort of treatment regimen we used for more common flu varieties and given the patients azithromycin.
  - th0ma5 3y ago
    Why not do something about this directly. This lab leak wild goose chase isn't required.
- khazhoux 3y ago
  For one, if it was proven that a lab leak was the cause of such global destruction, that may encourage stronger lab regulations in the future.
  - th0ma5 3y ago
    We can and should do that anyway, why do we need a smoking gun, I mean, beyond the pandemic we had.
    - khazhoux 3y ago
      I'd avoid loaded terms like "smoking gun" in this discussion. My point is that if the pandemic was caused by a leak, then that would be a prior that could aid in future decision-making. I don't understand your position that we should not seek the truth. Somehow knowing the truth about a past event can have no bearing on the future?
      - th0ma5 3y ago
        I don't think it is ultimately knowable in a way that is helpful. We need to act as if any of the possibilities happened because any of them could. I guess I also don't see why articles like this are needed to work on pandemic prevention. I can totally see why people need them for at the very least getting clicks and attention.
        kortilla 3y ago
        It’s possible aliens came from space and dropped the virus off to see how we would handle it. How much effort should we put into preventing that pandemic path? Nearly every airline regulation that results in air travel being so safe today is because we spend such an enormous amount of resources investigating the root causes of accidents with the NTSB. Try suggesting to them “it doesn’t matter why the plane crashed, let’s just push for generic improvements to planes”. You’ll get (rightfully so) laughed out of the room.
        3y ago
randomperson01 3y ago
Its a good compilation that I saw in mid 2020 that was one of the sources of data leading me to question the zoonotic spillover hypothesis that I had read in Zhou et al (RaTG13 paper) and Anderson et al. That the WIV was conducting exactly the type of research that could have led to a highly human infectious novel SARS-CoV was poo-pood and cast as a conspiracy theory. As Ian Lipkin stated following the Fauci teleconference "we have a nightmare of circumstantial evidence to deal with"
- deleted 3y ago
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- ricksunny 3y ago
  And helpful that it's hosted on GitHub. PRC can't block Github on a strategic level. So content can be hosted there that gets through the GFW that PRC netizens can see.
  - falseprofit 3y ago
    Can't they block the subdomain?

th0ma5 3y ago

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hayst4ck 3y ago
Because exploring the truth is a worthwhile endeavor particularly in the face of an oppressive regime that made it very clear they did not want the truth to be explored. Just to be clear what I posted seemed like Chinese people exploring what actually happened more than a blame based document or fear mongering based document. I would really encourage you to give it a chance because it is very impressive investigative work and, really, an impressive exercise of investigative journalism from a country that hates investigative journalists.
- th0ma5 3y ago
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  - xcv123 3y ago
    You are spamming this thread. Looks like you are working for the CCP. Don't make it too obvious.
    - th0ma5 3y ago
      Lol. If the treatment of their own people wasn't bad enough and it took a pandemic conspiracy theory to hate them, then I feel like you need to read more.
      - deleted 3y ago
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  - hayst4ck 3y ago
    The purpose of that article is not to bring down china. It's not ideologically opposed to china. It was not some conservative agenda article. It's a group of people who want to understand what happened. The article comes from a stance of curiosity. What I linked is very compatible with the HN mindset and not particularly ideological. You clearly have not read it because your comment makes no sense in the context of that article. If you don't want to be curious then don't be.
    - th0ma5 3y ago
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cheaprentalyeti 3y ago
Because if we're relying on the people who are funding bioweapons research in hostile countries to tell us how to treat said viruses, under the delusion that they'd learn something useful, it's the kind of thing we need to know about before waking up three years later and finding out (per the Northwestern study) that we could have avoided a lot of deaths by simply following the sort of treatment regimen we used for more common flu varieties and given the patients azithromycin.
- th0ma5 3y ago
  Why not do something about this directly. This lab leak wild goose chase isn't required.
khazhoux 3y ago
For one, if it was proven that a lab leak was the cause of such global destruction, that may encourage stronger lab regulations in the future.
- th0ma5 3y ago
  We can and should do that anyway, why do we need a smoking gun, I mean, beyond the pandemic we had.
  - khazhoux 3y ago
    I'd avoid loaded terms like "smoking gun" in this discussion. My point is that if the pandemic was caused by a leak, then that would be a prior that could aid in future decision-making. I don't understand your position that we should not seek the truth. Somehow knowing the truth about a past event can have no bearing on the future?
    - th0ma5 3y ago
      I don't think it is ultimately knowable in a way that is helpful. We need to act as if any of the possibilities happened because any of them could. I guess I also don't see why articles like this are needed to work on pandemic prevention. I can totally see why people need them for at the very least getting clicks and attention.
      - kortilla 3y ago
        It’s possible aliens came from space and dropped the virus off to see how we would handle it. How much effort should we put into preventing that pandemic path? Nearly every airline regulation that results in air travel being so safe today is because we spend such an enormous amount of resources investigating the root causes of accidents with the NTSB. Try suggesting to them “it doesn’t matter why the plane crashed, let’s just push for generic improvements to planes”. You’ll get (rightfully so) laughed out of the room.
        3y ago

randomperson01 3y ago

Its a good compilation that I saw in mid 2020 that was one of the sources of data leading me to question the zoonotic spillover hypothesis that I had read in Zhou et al (RaTG13 paper) and Anderson et al. That the WIV was conducting exactly the type of research that could have led to a highly human infectious novel SARS-CoV was poo-pood and cast as a conspiracy theory. As Ian Lipkin stated following the Fauci teleconference "we have a nightmare of circumstantial evidence to deal with"

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ricksunny 3y ago
And helpful that it's hosted on GitHub. PRC can't block Github on a strategic level. So content can be hosted there that gets through the GFW that PRC netizens can see.
- falseprofit 3y ago
  Can't they block the subdomain?