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This is the kind of writing you need to properly discuss the lab leak hypothesis. It's not perfect, there are no good links to sources which suggests a lot of i

This is the kind of writing you need to properly discuss the lab leak hypothesis. It's not perfect, there are no good links to sources which suggests a lot of it is made up. However, this kind of writing should only happen after years or months of investigation. You can't do the lab leak panic 2 days into the pandemic. You can't even really do it half way through the pandemic. I'm glad such investigations are being caried out. I only wish links to whatever is declassified from the investigations to be made public for such publications. Authors need to prove their research effort when it comes to such news.

th0ma5 3y ago
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- laserbeam 3y ago
  I mean... There are references to names, institutions carrying out certain investigations, references to experiments done prior to the pandemic. Yeah, some of it can be congecture. Which is why I really want the direct links to data, not just mentions to the events. I'm not sure it's a conspiracy theory. I think it's a legitimate thing to investigate by an international entity like the UN (not the US), and the outcome (if it turns out to be true) should likely be some proportional sanction/payments by China.
  - th0ma5 3y ago
    Sure, but the article is implying there something new that actually would have some kind of bearing or meaning.
    - oneshtein 3y ago
      Russians started to clean up evidence, which points to BSL4 lab "Vector". IMHO, this article is a part of their disinformation campaign. The name of their vaccine "Sputnik V" (Follower 5) suggests that there was "Something","Sputnik I", "Sputnik II", "Sputnik III", "Sputnik IV" before "Sputnik V". It's impossible for Russians to produce 5 vaccines in row in such short span of time, just few months, which took billions of dollars and year of time for western companies. IMHO, Russians started developing of their vaccine since SARS-CoV-1 outbreak in 2003.
      - th0ma5 3y ago
        Sounds ominous but also completely devoid of useful explanations, blame, or actionable knowledge.
      - throwbadubadu 3y ago
        It was named after the satellite Sputnik 1 and the V is not a roman five but stands for victory, multiple sources consistently claim? Sounds reasonable that this was just PR propaganda to connect to prior great successes in Russia.. (Even without that knowledge I'd find this theory a bit far fetched, there could be many other good reasons for that naming).
        oneshtein 3y ago
        "Sputnik" is a regular Russian word, which means "one who travels together with another" (s-put-nik s-=with, -put-=travel/road/journey, -nik=somebody). Victory is Latin word. Russian word for victory is "pobeda" (po-beda po-=after, -beda=bad/something very different from good, "after bad times"). It looks like 5 in the name is from Ad5 component of vaccine. Moreover, the vaccine produced by Vector is called EpiVacCorona[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EpiVacCorona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EpiVacCorona
      - alpaca128 3y ago
        > The name of their vaccine "Sputnik V" (Follower 5) suggests that there was "Something" No, a regime known for throwing people out of windows if they say one word too much isn't so dumb to hide a hint like that in plain sight.
      - dbtc 3y ago
        Or they had 12 teams working in parallel, competition style, and team 5 won.
oneshtein 3y ago
> It's not perfect, there are no good links to sources which suggests a lot of it is made up. Existing evidence points to another lab: BSL4 lab "Vector" in Novosibirsk, Russia. They worked on their "Sputnik" vaccine when blast in laboratory on September 16 2019[2] caused chain of incidents: broken windows, unprotected soldiers break in, which checked rooms for signs of fire, equipment stolen from BSL4 lab by those soldiers[0][1], epidemic of unknown virus in Siberia, Military World Games in Wuhan[3]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w7SAeNcXA8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w7SAeNcXA8 [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20200407175030/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w7SAeNcXA8 https://web.archive.org/web/20200407175030/https://www.youtu... [2]: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/17/health/russia-lab-explosion-smallpox-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/17/health/russia-lab-explosi... [3]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7813667/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7813667/
- th0ma5 3y ago
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asynchronous 3y ago
Oh? But we can publish the Lancet document, asserting with ridiculous grandeur that it was NOT a lab leak, a mere 3 months into the pandemic? The same document that turned out to have been paid for and produced despite having numerous errors and lies, simply to turn a narrative? Let’s hold everyone to the same standard shall we?
mkoubaa 3y ago
>However, this kind of writing should only happen after years or months of investigation. In other words, censorship

th0ma5 3y ago

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laserbeam 3y ago
I mean... There are references to names, institutions carrying out certain investigations, references to experiments done prior to the pandemic. Yeah, some of it can be congecture. Which is why I really want the direct links to data, not just mentions to the events. I'm not sure it's a conspiracy theory. I think it's a legitimate thing to investigate by an international entity like the UN (not the US), and the outcome (if it turns out to be true) should likely be some proportional sanction/payments by China.
- th0ma5 3y ago
  Sure, but the article is implying there something new that actually would have some kind of bearing or meaning.
  - oneshtein 3y ago
    Russians started to clean up evidence, which points to BSL4 lab "Vector". IMHO, this article is a part of their disinformation campaign. The name of their vaccine "Sputnik V" (Follower 5) suggests that there was "Something","Sputnik I", "Sputnik II", "Sputnik III", "Sputnik IV" before "Sputnik V". It's impossible for Russians to produce 5 vaccines in row in such short span of time, just few months, which took billions of dollars and year of time for western companies. IMHO, Russians started developing of their vaccine since SARS-CoV-1 outbreak in 2003.
    - th0ma5 3y ago
      Sounds ominous but also completely devoid of useful explanations, blame, or actionable knowledge.
    - throwbadubadu 3y ago
      It was named after the satellite Sputnik 1 and the V is not a roman five but stands for victory, multiple sources consistently claim? Sounds reasonable that this was just PR propaganda to connect to prior great successes in Russia.. (Even without that knowledge I'd find this theory a bit far fetched, there could be many other good reasons for that naming).
      - oneshtein 3y ago
        "Sputnik" is a regular Russian word, which means "one who travels together with another" (s-put-nik s-=with, -put-=travel/road/journey, -nik=somebody). Victory is Latin word. Russian word for victory is "pobeda" (po-beda po-=after, -beda=bad/something very different from good, "after bad times"). It looks like 5 in the name is from Ad5 component of vaccine. Moreover, the vaccine produced by Vector is called EpiVacCorona[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EpiVacCorona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EpiVacCorona
    - alpaca128 3y ago
      > The name of their vaccine "Sputnik V" (Follower 5) suggests that there was "Something" No, a regime known for throwing people out of windows if they say one word too much isn't so dumb to hide a hint like that in plain sight.
    - dbtc 3y ago
      Or they had 12 teams working in parallel, competition style, and team 5 won.

oneshtein 3y ago

> It's not perfect, there are no good links to sources which suggests a lot of it is made up. Existing evidence points to another lab: BSL4 lab "Vector" in Novosibirsk, Russia. They worked on their "Sputnik" vaccine when blast in laboratory on September 16 2019[2] caused chain of incidents: broken windows, unprotected soldiers break in, which checked rooms for signs of fire, equipment stolen from BSL4 lab by those soldiers[0][1], epidemic of unknown virus in Siberia, Military World Games in Wuhan[3]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w7SAeNcXA8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w7SAeNcXA8 [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20200407175030/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w7SAeNcXA8 https://web.archive.org/web/20200407175030/https://www.youtu... [2]: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/17/health/russia-lab-explosion-smallpox-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/17/health/russia-lab-explosi... [3]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7813667/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7813667/

th0ma5 3y ago
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asynchronous 3y ago

Oh? But we can publish the Lancet document, asserting with ridiculous grandeur that it was NOT a lab leak, a mere 3 months into the pandemic? The same document that turned out to have been paid for and produced despite having numerous errors and lies, simply to turn a narrative? Let’s hold everyone to the same standard shall we?

mkoubaa 3y ago

>However, this kind of writing should only happen after years or months of investigation. In other words, censorship