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Does Spez thinks this makes them look good? And then you "blame" the 3rd party apps? Sounds like a basic failure of housekeeping. But, but let's blame "remote

Does Spez thinks this makes them look good? And then you "blame" the 3rd party apps? Sounds like a basic failure of housekeeping. But, but let's blame "remote work" or something like that, yeah

ng12 3y ago
The more I think about this the funnier it is. A third party app built by two guys is so much better than the official Reddit app that people are willing to pay actual money for it... and his response is to throw shade at the developrs?
- josephg 3y ago
  Yeah, meanwhile reddit apparently has 2000 employees and can’t make a simple enough site written in react work well. It lags my $3000 computer that can run cyberpunk in ultra.
  - matteoraso 3y ago
    This is such an underrated point. I straight up can't use Reddit on my phone without quickly switching to the old interface. Seriously, my phone will just crash, and that's with trackers being blocked. I have no idea how they managed to make such a bloated UI, without even having anything new besides profile pictures.
  - wruza 3y ago
    That requires much less employees, which reddit cannot afford.
  - bxff 3y ago
    Hi Seph, sorry to contact you this way, but as you have left the Braid group, is there a way to contact you? You stated at your departure that we could message you, but your DMs are closed on Discord. No worries if you don't want to be contacted, just asking as you stated to be contacted via DMs, but your DMs are closed.
    - josephg 3y ago
      Flick me an email. No promises that I’ll reply, but my email address isn’t hidden.
- Seattle3503 3y ago
  Because third party apps are user agents, in the original sense of the word. The reddit app is Reddit's agent. The official reddit app exists to advance reddit's strategy. It isn't that reddit can't produce a better UI, it is that doing so isn't a part of their strategy.
hayst4ck 3y ago
I think Spez feels his power/dominance is threatened by Apollo/Christian and he is lashing out because he thinks the problem is Christian, and not his own actions. I think it's possible investors are forcing him into a situation he disagrees with, but I suspect that's charitable. I think his lack of self reflection rivals that of Triplebyte's CEO when they forced public profiles on people. People understand when force is being used against them rather than persuasion, and nobody likes to feel like force is being used against them. I am very happy to see collective force being leveraged towards someone in a position of power. I think Spez hasn't explored the idea that people value their anonymity, so attaching a credit card to an "anonymous" account isn't going to be popular. If reddit showed a desire to be frugal and fired all these awful dark pattern implementing UX devs who are devoid of professional ethics, and was ok breaking even instead of making money. I would strongly consider a 3-5 dollar a month donation not associated with an account. But they would have to trust the community enough to be somewhat open with their books. Of course the real problem here is likely a violation of fiduciary duties to their investors, although given how things are turning out, he may already be liable.
- rapind 3y ago
  > If reddit showed a desire to be frugal and fired all these awful dark pattern implementing UX devs who are devoid of professional ethics, and was ok breaking even instead of making money. I suspect the direction to employ dark patterns comes from the top.
  - hayst4ck 3y ago
    Yes, professional ethics means rejecting unethical things from the top.
    - rapind 3y ago
      Semantics I guess. The way you worded it just seems like a bunch of machiavellian UX designers brought these dark patterns to management who were simply ethically negligent. All I'm saying is that I suspect the UX staff were directed to do this or at least to drive installs through "whatever means necessary".

Does Spez thinks this makes them look good? And then you "blame" the 3rd party apps? Sounds like a basic failure of housekeeping. But, but let's blame "remote work" or something like that, yeah

ng12 3y ago

The more I think about this the funnier it is. A third party app built by two guys is so much better than the official Reddit app that people are willing to pay actual money for it... and his response is to throw shade at the developrs?

josephg 3y ago
Yeah, meanwhile reddit apparently has 2000 employees and can’t make a simple enough site written in react work well. It lags my $3000 computer that can run cyberpunk in ultra.
- matteoraso 3y ago
  This is such an underrated point. I straight up can't use Reddit on my phone without quickly switching to the old interface. Seriously, my phone will just crash, and that's with trackers being blocked. I have no idea how they managed to make such a bloated UI, without even having anything new besides profile pictures.
- wruza 3y ago
  That requires much less employees, which reddit cannot afford.
- bxff 3y ago
  Hi Seph, sorry to contact you this way, but as you have left the Braid group, is there a way to contact you? You stated at your departure that we could message you, but your DMs are closed on Discord. No worries if you don't want to be contacted, just asking as you stated to be contacted via DMs, but your DMs are closed.
  - josephg 3y ago
    Flick me an email. No promises that I’ll reply, but my email address isn’t hidden.
Seattle3503 3y ago
Because third party apps are user agents, in the original sense of the word. The reddit app is Reddit's agent. The official reddit app exists to advance reddit's strategy. It isn't that reddit can't produce a better UI, it is that doing so isn't a part of their strategy.

hayst4ck 3y ago

I think Spez feels his power/dominance is threatened by Apollo/Christian and he is lashing out because he thinks the problem is Christian, and not his own actions. I think it's possible investors are forcing him into a situation he disagrees with, but I suspect that's charitable. I think his lack of self reflection rivals that of Triplebyte's CEO when they forced public profiles on people. People understand when force is being used against them rather than persuasion, and nobody likes to feel like force is being used against them. I am very happy to see collective force being leveraged towards someone in a position of power. I think Spez hasn't explored the idea that people value their anonymity, so attaching a credit card to an "anonymous" account isn't going to be popular. If reddit showed a desire to be frugal and fired all these awful dark pattern implementing UX devs who are devoid of professional ethics, and was ok breaking even instead of making money. I would strongly consider a 3-5 dollar a month donation not associated with an account. But they would have to trust the community enough to be somewhat open with their books. Of course the real problem here is likely a violation of fiduciary duties to their investors, although given how things are turning out, he may already be liable.

rapind 3y ago
> If reddit showed a desire to be frugal and fired all these awful dark pattern implementing UX devs who are devoid of professional ethics, and was ok breaking even instead of making money. I suspect the direction to employ dark patterns comes from the top.
- hayst4ck 3y ago
  Yes, professional ethics means rejecting unethical things from the top.
  - rapind 3y ago
    Semantics I guess. The way you worded it just seems like a bunch of machiavellian UX designers brought these dark patterns to management who were simply ethically negligent. All I'm saying is that I suspect the UX staff were directed to do this or at least to drive installs through "whatever means necessary".