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I've been getting more and more active on the largest instance of lemmy - https://lemmy.ml https://lemmy.ml - and its crazy how many popular subreddit names hav

I've been getting more and more active on the largest instance of lemmy - https://lemmy.ml https://lemmy.ml - and its crazy how many popular subreddit names have been created on lemmy.ml in the last week. I'm not sure if the philosophy of the fediverse really meshes with the idea of social media. It feels like if it caught on it would push people farther and farther into smaller echo chambers (and that seems bad!). However, adopting one large instance seems like a drop in replacement for reddit (and the least painful for the average joe).

Buttons840 3y ago
They are asking people not to join because they can't handle the influx. Not a good sign. It also looks like I can only post and vote on my own instance, so hosting my own Lemmy is worthless, unlike email where I can host my own without any fundamental downsides (although there are some cultural downsides, for lack of a better term).
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- nulld3v 3y ago
  You can most definitely post/vote on other instances.
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- p-e-w 3y ago
  The largest Lemmy instance, according to their list, has 1500 monthly active users, and they can't handle more? How is that thing ever supposed to scale?
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    Congratulations, you have discovered why Reddit (and any B2C social network in general) took venture capital as it did and why it's struggling to contain its expenses on scaling to that many users.
  - ratg13 3y ago
    The whole point of decentralization is to build many redundant points of equal size. If you just put all the effort into one single node, you’ve essentially destroyed the idea of decentralization.
- GabeIsko 3y ago
  It is kind of a bummer that the votes themselves aren't federated yet, even if the content is. The whole point of federation is that you should self host your own so that you have ownership over the computing that powers your social media experience, which is the only way are going to move forward with it really. Otherwise, you are just depending on the good will of someone else, usually a corporation that needs to make money at somepoint. It's not like investment or venture capital is actually delivering any value for the users of these services. Ideally, there will be more of a P2P structure for social media if everything moves forward. It doesn't solve for the problem where large companies can solve for doing the really large aggregation and drive engagement algorithmically. But even if 3-4 aggregators that are independent from each other emerge plus there being a relatively low barrier of entry to create your own, I think it could be sustainable and a major win. Privately funded social spaces are dying a quick death in the age of high interest rates.
  - amadeuspagel 3y ago
    > It is kind of a bummer that the votes themselves aren't federated yet, even if the content is. Federating votes wouldn't be compatible with anonymous voting.
  - Buttons840 3y ago
    If I see a post with 10 upvotes (let's ignore downvotes for now), did 10 people from my instance upvote, or did 10 people from the instance where the content was originally posted upvote?
- leobg 3y ago
  Is it so hard to set up a few $50/m Hetzner servers to offer refuge to the folks leaving Reddit? Rather than posting silly pleas to not put too much load on the server. I mean, that’s the best thing to happen to this project, is it not? Gotta make hay when the sun is shining.
  - foepys 3y ago
    The biggest problem is almost always not the hosting costs but the content moderation. Not many people like removing CP when growing past a certain size.
    - leobg 3y ago
      LLMs + MTurk?
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UberFly 3y ago
Lemmy is run by an extremist. I'd be fine migrating somewhere else as long as it isn't there.
- RIMR 3y ago
  While nutomic is definitely known for being a lefty Socialist, and you're free to disagree with them on that, I am not aware of any noteworthy extremism. Unless there's something I am not aware of, he seems like a pretty rational person.
  - UberFly 3y ago
    This is the same dude: https://lemmygrad.ml/ https://lemmygrad.ml/ He's got a massive communist drum to beat if you're into that thing.
    - GabeIsko 3y ago
      If you disagree with those politics so much just host your own instance. I know there was some concern about politics affecting the technical decisions behind Lemmy (content filter related) but it looks like cooler heads prevailed. Also, you can always create a fork of it anyway.
      - nomel 3y ago
        It would be difficult for a new user to find a non-political instance, since join-lemmy.org is heavily curated to the developers, literal, Marxist worldview.
        GabeIsko 3y ago
        So host your own.
- jcz_nz 3y ago
  Which lemmy?? The GitHub repository?? Can you substantiate this?

Buttons840 3y ago

They are asking people not to join because they can't handle the influx. Not a good sign. It also looks like I can only post and vote on my own instance, so hosting my own Lemmy is worthless, unlike email where I can host my own without any fundamental downsides (although there are some cultural downsides, for lack of a better term).

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nulld3v 3y ago
You can most definitely post/vote on other instances.
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p-e-w 3y ago
The largest Lemmy instance, according to their list, has 1500 monthly active users, and they can't handle more? How is that thing ever supposed to scale?
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  Congratulations, you have discovered why Reddit (and any B2C social network in general) took venture capital as it did and why it's struggling to contain its expenses on scaling to that many users.
- ratg13 3y ago
  The whole point of decentralization is to build many redundant points of equal size. If you just put all the effort into one single node, you’ve essentially destroyed the idea of decentralization.
GabeIsko 3y ago
It is kind of a bummer that the votes themselves aren't federated yet, even if the content is. The whole point of federation is that you should self host your own so that you have ownership over the computing that powers your social media experience, which is the only way are going to move forward with it really. Otherwise, you are just depending on the good will of someone else, usually a corporation that needs to make money at somepoint. It's not like investment or venture capital is actually delivering any value for the users of these services. Ideally, there will be more of a P2P structure for social media if everything moves forward. It doesn't solve for the problem where large companies can solve for doing the really large aggregation and drive engagement algorithmically. But even if 3-4 aggregators that are independent from each other emerge plus there being a relatively low barrier of entry to create your own, I think it could be sustainable and a major win. Privately funded social spaces are dying a quick death in the age of high interest rates.
- amadeuspagel 3y ago
  > It is kind of a bummer that the votes themselves aren't federated yet, even if the content is. Federating votes wouldn't be compatible with anonymous voting.
- Buttons840 3y ago
  If I see a post with 10 upvotes (let's ignore downvotes for now), did 10 people from my instance upvote, or did 10 people from the instance where the content was originally posted upvote?
leobg 3y ago
Is it so hard to set up a few $50/m Hetzner servers to offer refuge to the folks leaving Reddit? Rather than posting silly pleas to not put too much load on the server. I mean, that’s the best thing to happen to this project, is it not? Gotta make hay when the sun is shining.
- foepys 3y ago
  The biggest problem is almost always not the hosting costs but the content moderation. Not many people like removing CP when growing past a certain size.
  - leobg 3y ago
    LLMs + MTurk?

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UberFly 3y ago

Lemmy is run by an extremist. I'd be fine migrating somewhere else as long as it isn't there.

RIMR 3y ago
While nutomic is definitely known for being a lefty Socialist, and you're free to disagree with them on that, I am not aware of any noteworthy extremism. Unless there's something I am not aware of, he seems like a pretty rational person.
- UberFly 3y ago
  This is the same dude: https://lemmygrad.ml/ https://lemmygrad.ml/ He's got a massive communist drum to beat if you're into that thing.
  - GabeIsko 3y ago
    If you disagree with those politics so much just host your own instance. I know there was some concern about politics affecting the technical decisions behind Lemmy (content filter related) but it looks like cooler heads prevailed. Also, you can always create a fork of it anyway.
    - nomel 3y ago
      It would be difficult for a new user to find a non-political instance, since join-lemmy.org is heavily curated to the developers, literal, Marxist worldview.
      - GabeIsko 3y ago
        So host your own.
jcz_nz 3y ago
Which lemmy?? The GitHub repository?? Can you substantiate this?