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Sorry cities are much more efficient than any other form of human living [0]. It is suburbs and rural sprawl that creates the energy waste. Population drift tow

Sorry cities are much more efficient than any other form of human living [0]. It is suburbs and rural sprawl that creates the energy waste. Population drift towards the latter may cause the hollowing of cities which lead to crime and transport inefficiency. [0] https://theconversation.com/suburban-living-the-worst-for-carbon-emissions-new-research-149332# https://theconversation.com/suburban-living-the-worst-for-ca...

blq10 3y ago
"Cities are more efficient, suburbs and rural sprawl are inefficient and bad" depends on: A: the design of the suburb B: the underlying economy they're built in C: cultural factors. When the US contained major manufacturing, it was efficient to have large suburban sprawl - you could build spread out industrial hubs on the outskirts of town. When the cities were not safe, it did not matter what you said - people left. "Efficiency" is not a magic word, it has to apply to a particular resource, and does have to consider all costs. Cities are in fact, more efficient in terms of transit costs (of all types).
Consultant32452 3y ago
It doesn't matter if you use half as much energy per capita if the thing you created results in 50x more people. When I say destroy the cities I mean to include the populations in them. Through policy you make their lives so miserable that they are not replaced generationally. A similar thing was done to rural areas, their people were systematically destroyed through policy. Most of the people on HN seem to be city-dwelling pro centralization and centralized control. It seems to be jarring for them to see their own policies of openly promoting the destruction of others lives and way of living directed back at them.
- 221qqwe 3y ago
  > When I say destroy the cities I mean to include the populations in them Pol pot? Is that you? > It seems to be jarring for them to see their own policies of openly promoting the destruction of others lives Says someone who just proposed mass extermination of billions of people?
  - Consultant32452 3y ago
    I explicitly stated we'd create government policies which would result in cratering their population just like we did in rural areas. Are you imagining rural areas in the US were "mass exterminated?"
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  - dang 3y ago
    "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 3y ago
  I don't know what battle you're trying to fight but HN is not the place for it. The flamebait you repeatedly posted in this thread was beyond the pale. If you keep posting this sort of comment, we'll end up having to ban you. We've had to warn you about this kind of thing many times before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27030092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27030092 (May 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27030081 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27030081 (May 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25573631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25573631 (Dec 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24145979 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24145979 (Aug 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17274402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17274402 (June 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16938001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16938001 (April 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16737173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16737173 (April 2018) If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

blq10 3y ago

"Cities are more efficient, suburbs and rural sprawl are inefficient and bad" depends on: A: the design of the suburb B: the underlying economy they're built in C: cultural factors. When the US contained major manufacturing, it was efficient to have large suburban sprawl - you could build spread out industrial hubs on the outskirts of town. When the cities were not safe, it did not matter what you said - people left. "Efficiency" is not a magic word, it has to apply to a particular resource, and does have to consider all costs. Cities are in fact, more efficient in terms of transit costs (of all types).

Consultant32452 3y ago

It doesn't matter if you use half as much energy per capita if the thing you created results in 50x more people. When I say destroy the cities I mean to include the populations in them. Through policy you make their lives so miserable that they are not replaced generationally. A similar thing was done to rural areas, their people were systematically destroyed through policy. Most of the people on HN seem to be city-dwelling pro centralization and centralized control. It seems to be jarring for them to see their own policies of openly promoting the destruction of others lives and way of living directed back at them.

221qqwe 3y ago
> When I say destroy the cities I mean to include the populations in them Pol pot? Is that you? > It seems to be jarring for them to see their own policies of openly promoting the destruction of others lives Says someone who just proposed mass extermination of billions of people?
- Consultant32452 3y ago
  I explicitly stated we'd create government policies which would result in cratering their population just like we did in rural areas. Are you imagining rural areas in the US were "mass exterminated?"
  - deleted 3y ago
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- dang 3y ago
  "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 3y ago
I don't know what battle you're trying to fight but HN is not the place for it. The flamebait you repeatedly posted in this thread was beyond the pale. If you keep posting this sort of comment, we'll end up having to ban you. We've had to warn you about this kind of thing many times before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27030092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27030092 (May 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27030081 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27030081 (May 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25573631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25573631 (Dec 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24145979 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24145979 (Aug 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17274402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17274402 (June 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16938001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16938001 (April 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16737173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16737173 (April 2018) If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.