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I'm not sure what the track record for FSD is so far but Autopilot's isn't great and inspires little confidence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/

by cgh 3y ago

I'm not sure what the track record for FSD is so far but Autopilot's isn't great and inspires little confidence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-autopilot-crashes-elon-musk/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-a... 17 fatalities, 736 crashes.

asynchronous 3y ago
And yet it’s been used on several orders of magnitude more miles than any other offering. Check the numbers for general driver crashes and fatalities.
- BoorishBears 3y ago
  > And yet it’s been used on several orders of magnitude more miles than any other offering. Based on what? ACC/LKAS has been a feature since before Tesla even existed as a corporation. You might be confusing their claims about FSD with AP (which they very much would like you to) Similarly, they love for people to compare AP to all driver crashes and fatalities when AP only works in the situations that are otherwise least dangerous to drivers, in cars that are newer than the average car, driven by a demographic with higher than average safety records, etc... which means AP would need to kill a lot of people to not have better numbers than average
concordDance 3y ago
Those are crashes WITH, not crashes BECAUSE. Without knowing the usual amount of no fault crashes given the number of driving miles the number is meaningless
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  $TSLA speaking?
  - concordDance 3y ago
    I have no financial involvement in Tesla, owning neither shares nor shorts. And even if I did, my motivation for speaking up does not affect the fact that a crash happening does not mean autopilot was at fault.
- pms 3y ago
  If anything, Tesla was found to be deactivating the autopilot mode at the second before a crash [1], embellishing the statistics of miles driven between crashes... [1] PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF

by cgh 3y ago

asynchronous 3y ago

And yet it’s been used on several orders of magnitude more miles than any other offering. Check the numbers for general driver crashes and fatalities.

BoorishBears 3y ago
> And yet it’s been used on several orders of magnitude more miles than any other offering. Based on what? ACC/LKAS has been a feature since before Tesla even existed as a corporation. You might be confusing their claims about FSD with AP (which they very much would like you to) Similarly, they love for people to compare AP to all driver crashes and fatalities when AP only works in the situations that are otherwise least dangerous to drivers, in cars that are newer than the average car, driven by a demographic with higher than average safety records, etc... which means AP would need to kill a lot of people to not have better numbers than average

concordDance 3y ago

Those are crashes WITH, not crashes BECAUSE. Without knowing the usual amount of no fault crashes given the number of driving miles the number is meaningless

jbverschoor 3y ago
$TSLA speaking?
- concordDance 3y ago
  I have no financial involvement in Tesla, owning neither shares nor shorts. And even if I did, my motivation for speaking up does not affect the fact that a crash happening does not mean autopilot was at fault.
pms 3y ago
If anything, Tesla was found to be deactivating the autopilot mode at the second before a crash [1], embellishing the statistics of miles driven between crashes... [1] PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF