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Just using encryption leads to this? We may have technology now, but what’s clear is that the human nature that lead to the witch hunts several hundreds of yea

by LASR 3y ago

Just using encryption leads to this? We may have technology now, but what’s clear is that the human nature that lead to the witch hunts several hundreds of years ago still exists.

southerntofu 3y ago
> Just using encryption leads to this? No. The people arrested in that case were anarchists and had varying levels of engagement for social change. The main defendant, who this article talks about, was a vocal opponent of the State and state-sponsored injustices (police abuse, social inequalities, etc). Whether he actually planned attacks against the State as he is accused of, i don't know although the fact all the accused were liberated tends to show the police had nothing against them. But even if these police fantasies were true, any damage he could do by attacking eg. a police station would be nothing compared to the millions of people who suffer/die every year do to french imperialism and its racist and ecocidal policies.
- tzekid 3y ago
  The suspects were not anarchists ... they were allegedly connected to a Kurdish militant group (so more like nationalists). I hate gov.s as much as the next guy, but the rant is off-topic here. The main problem is that they try to formulate simple encryption in a criminalizing way, which can lead to bigger problems if it becomes a widely accepted view.
  - southerntofu 3y ago
    > The suspects were not anarchists ... they were allegedly connected to a Kurdish militant group I don't mean to be rude, but you sound extra sure while your message is wrong on two counts: - the suspects are all anarchists, except for one person who might identify as a trotskyist ; the support networks that grew for the 8/12 case also grew in the anarchist milieu for this reason (i don't have an english source for this, but if you read french the mediaslibres.org planet would contain plenty of information about this) - only one suspect was involved in the kurdish liberation struggle, and that's definitely not what any of them was accused of although that's probably what triggered the investigation ; they were accused of planning attacks against the french empire (not the civilian population) > The main problem is that they try to formulate simple encryption in a criminalizing way I agree. PS: "anarchist" is not insult it's a political orientation. I myself am an anarchist.

by LASR 3y ago

Just using encryption leads to this? We may have technology now, but what’s clear is that the human nature that lead to the witch hunts several hundreds of years ago still exists.

southerntofu 3y ago

> Just using encryption leads to this? No. The people arrested in that case were anarchists and had varying levels of engagement for social change. The main defendant, who this article talks about, was a vocal opponent of the State and state-sponsored injustices (police abuse, social inequalities, etc). Whether he actually planned attacks against the State as he is accused of, i don't know although the fact all the accused were liberated tends to show the police had nothing against them. But even if these police fantasies were true, any damage he could do by attacking eg. a police station would be nothing compared to the millions of people who suffer/die every year do to french imperialism and its racist and ecocidal policies.

tzekid 3y ago
The suspects were not anarchists ... they were allegedly connected to a Kurdish militant group (so more like nationalists). I hate gov.s as much as the next guy, but the rant is off-topic here. The main problem is that they try to formulate simple encryption in a criminalizing way, which can lead to bigger problems if it becomes a widely accepted view.
- southerntofu 3y ago
  > The suspects were not anarchists ... they were allegedly connected to a Kurdish militant group I don't mean to be rude, but you sound extra sure while your message is wrong on two counts: - the suspects are all anarchists, except for one person who might identify as a trotskyist ; the support networks that grew for the 8/12 case also grew in the anarchist milieu for this reason (i don't have an english source for this, but if you read french the mediaslibres.org planet would contain plenty of information about this) - only one suspect was involved in the kurdish liberation struggle, and that's definitely not what any of them was accused of although that's probably what triggered the investigation ; they were accused of planning attacks against the french empire (not the civilian population) > The main problem is that they try to formulate simple encryption in a criminalizing way I agree. PS: "anarchist" is not insult it's a political orientation. I myself am an anarchist.