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That sounds like such a disingenuous argument, he could have just selected he/him as his pronoun and be done with it. That is actually the gender he identified

by kmos17 3y ago

That sounds like such a disingenuous argument, he could have just selected he/him as his pronoun and be done with it. That is actually the gender he identified as. Instead he wants to use a pronoun that makes a political statement specifically targeting others he does not agree with.

lostmsu 3y ago
So, exactly what they do?
Nextgrid 3y ago
If the whole "pronouns" thing is about being whatever you want to be, then "assigned by god" is as valid as "xe/xer", "dino/dinosaurs" or whatever some people want to call themselves nowadays. Yes, both cases are something that a lot of people might consider stupid or childish, but the whole pronouns trend is that people should be "inclusive" and accepting of things they personally consider stupid or disagree with, so they should accept it.
- belltaco 3y ago
  The intent is what counts. The intent here was to troll, not request accommodation. Employers and judges don't take kindly to that.
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    > The intent here was to troll How do you know? There are plenty of pronouns out there (basically all of them except the two genders and "they") that I still can't see anyone actually using seriously and not as a troll to make a statement - no different from what this guy is doing. The validity of a pronoun is a subjective concept at the end of the day. However, even in the absolute obvious case where he himself would've admitted that he is trolling, the right thing to do would still be to accept his troll pronouns and not give it a second thought, otherwise you're not only "feeding" the troll (by giving him a reaction) but kinda validating his point that the whole thing is BS and that in reality only certain pronouns that fit the current groupthink are allowed despite the claimed "inclusivity".
    - tweetle_beetle 3y ago
      Using "Assigned by God" is as immature as filling in "Yes please" beside "Sex" on a form. Anyone with a scrap of professionalism would not do such a thing. It is clearly a case of malicious compliance. This has nothing to do with groupthink, it's just being a crap employee/colleague. I, for one, wouldn't want someone prepared to make an overt challenge to authority about something so petty to be in charge of security at my security product organisation. If being asked to state your preferred pronoun is the final straw for you, then I suggest you have it better than 99.99% of people in the world and should grow up.
      - Nextgrid 3y ago
        Making this argument is advocating for a registry of "valid" pronouns and a governing body - who should be in charge of that registry and how should disagreements be handled? I thought the whole point of the pronouns thing is that having a static list of 2 sets of pronouns was not enough. If you believe this then I think you should also accept "assigned by god" as a valid pronoun no matter how stupid or trollish it sounds to you (and of course if it is indeed a troll then ignoring it is the best way to deal with it and make the troll go away).
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      - George83728 3y ago
        If a gender-fluid pansexual wants to identify their sex as "Yes please", who are you to say they can't? Hmmm.
- kaba0 3y ago
  Human culture can’t be put into boxes. You can in many places legally name your child AHH43Z, but the grand majority of people will not take it as a joke and choose a same name. It’s the exact same here, 99.9% of people will go with he/she - the important part is that you don’t misgender someone deliberately as that is just rude (the same way calling John who hates being called Johnny that).
friend_and_foe 3y ago
The requirement to list pronouns is a political statement, hazing, a thinly veiled requirement to show allegiance to the orthodoxy of a cult.
david38 3y ago
I’m other words “I want to impose a certain political morality in the office and I don’t see why this man can’t simply just go along with it” You don’t seem to get it. Being told to do this is itself a political statement - one they openly admit to.
- kaba0 3y ago
  It’s quite sad to hear that basic human decency is a political statement. Next time one should also write informally business emails?
  - Eumenes 3y ago
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by kmos17 3y ago

lostmsu 3y ago

So, exactly what they do?

Nextgrid 3y ago

If the whole "pronouns" thing is about being whatever you want to be, then "assigned by god" is as valid as "xe/xer", "dino/dinosaurs" or whatever some people want to call themselves nowadays. Yes, both cases are something that a lot of people might consider stupid or childish, but the whole pronouns trend is that people should be "inclusive" and accepting of things they personally consider stupid or disagree with, so they should accept it.

belltaco 3y ago
The intent is what counts. The intent here was to troll, not request accommodation. Employers and judges don't take kindly to that.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  > The intent here was to troll How do you know? There are plenty of pronouns out there (basically all of them except the two genders and "they") that I still can't see anyone actually using seriously and not as a troll to make a statement - no different from what this guy is doing. The validity of a pronoun is a subjective concept at the end of the day. However, even in the absolute obvious case where he himself would've admitted that he is trolling, the right thing to do would still be to accept his troll pronouns and not give it a second thought, otherwise you're not only "feeding" the troll (by giving him a reaction) but kinda validating his point that the whole thing is BS and that in reality only certain pronouns that fit the current groupthink are allowed despite the claimed "inclusivity".
  - tweetle_beetle 3y ago
    Using "Assigned by God" is as immature as filling in "Yes please" beside "Sex" on a form. Anyone with a scrap of professionalism would not do such a thing. It is clearly a case of malicious compliance. This has nothing to do with groupthink, it's just being a crap employee/colleague. I, for one, wouldn't want someone prepared to make an overt challenge to authority about something so petty to be in charge of security at my security product organisation. If being asked to state your preferred pronoun is the final straw for you, then I suggest you have it better than 99.99% of people in the world and should grow up.
    - Nextgrid 3y ago
      Making this argument is advocating for a registry of "valid" pronouns and a governing body - who should be in charge of that registry and how should disagreements be handled? I thought the whole point of the pronouns thing is that having a static list of 2 sets of pronouns was not enough. If you believe this then I think you should also accept "assigned by god" as a valid pronoun no matter how stupid or trollish it sounds to you (and of course if it is indeed a troll then ignoring it is the best way to deal with it and make the troll go away).
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    - George83728 3y ago
      If a gender-fluid pansexual wants to identify their sex as "Yes please", who are you to say they can't? Hmmm.
kaba0 3y ago
Human culture can’t be put into boxes. You can in many places legally name your child AHH43Z, but the grand majority of people will not take it as a joke and choose a same name. It’s the exact same here, 99.9% of people will go with he/she - the important part is that you don’t misgender someone deliberately as that is just rude (the same way calling John who hates being called Johnny that).

friend_and_foe 3y ago

The requirement to list pronouns is a political statement, hazing, a thinly veiled requirement to show allegiance to the orthodoxy of a cult.

david38 3y ago

I’m other words “I want to impose a certain political morality in the office and I don’t see why this man can’t simply just go along with it” You don’t seem to get it. Being told to do this is itself a political statement - one they openly admit to.

kaba0 3y ago
It’s quite sad to hear that basic human decency is a political statement. Next time one should also write informally business emails?
- Eumenes 3y ago
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