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While that won't erase what the accused have gone through during 16 months(!) of detention, I think it's still good news to see that the State has been condemne

While that won't erase what the accused have gone through during 16 months(!) of detention, I think it's still good news to see that the State has been condemned for its actions. The "proofs" for conspiracy were apparently very light and the fact that the accused had used privacy protection measures, like instructions for a de-Google'd smartphone, Tails, TOR and encryption, were apparently enough to sue, detain and to have the DGSI investigate... I wonder what would happen if a similar case happens in the U.S.: they would have perhaps been suggested to have a plea bargain and plead guilty and serve X years in prison, and maybe liberated after Y years for good conduct. But, oh wait, being convicted of terrorism actually sentences you to 30 years[1] in the U.S. so you'll most likely rot in a cell and be forgotten by everyone except your captors. [1]: https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/sections/22-3153 https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/sections/22-31...

tedunangst 3y ago
Has anyone ever been sentenced to 30 years prison for doing a terrorism?
- otagekki 3y ago
  Conspiration is 30 years maximum. Actually committing a terrorist act and being convicted locks you up for good in a supermax prison. So yeah either way you're locked up for a VERY long time :/ People convicted for Jan 6 Capitol attacks are looking at 18 years[1] at least [1]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oath-keepers-founder-sentenced-to-18-years-for-seditious-conspiracy-in-jan-6-capitol-attack https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oath-keepers-founder-s...
  - fmajid 3y ago
    Zacarias Moussaoui was sentenced to life for his participation in the conspiracy to commit 9/11, but he wasn’t one of the actual perpetrators.
  - brewdad 3y ago
    18 years is by far the longest sentence handed down from Jan 6. Most convictions have resulted in probation. The Federal max sentence is rarely actually handed down. Typically, it’s closer to half the max with even that sentence shortened later on.
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  In the US? Absolutely. There was a very famous someone who just finished up a life sentence, and a quick google turns up https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005 https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-20... which has, among others, 40 years for Matthew Hale, 39 years for Sean Michael Gillespie, and life for Ali Al-Timmi and Eric Rudolph.
  - sneak 3y ago
    He finished the first life sentence. He's still got 7 more to go, apparently.
rkagerer 3y ago
It's unfortunate when suspicion falls upon these people simply for trying to undertake privacy-protecting best practices that the majority of us morons in the world don't care about or are woefully ignorant to. I hope one day privacy is normalized and treated like a valued, first-class human right (more like it was before social platforms and cloud-hosting became a thing and shifted popular culture to share-everything/control-nothing).
qingcharles 3y ago
USA: I don't want to go into details at this point as the case is still ongoing, but I was offered a plea deal at my first court date to be released the next day and I refused. I was finally released just shy of my 10th year in detention.
southerntofu 3y ago
> 16 months(!) of detention (...) the State has been condemned for its actions Just a clarification that it appears to be 16 months of isolation and intense privations, not just any form of detention. And the State was condemned to a few thousand euros damages that's ridiculous. > I wonder what would happen if a similar case happens in the U.S. Ask Leonard Peltier or Mumia Abu Jamal. They are the "modern" equivalent of Sacco & Vanzetti or the 5 Haymarket Affair anarchists condemned to death. The US Justice system is very well-known for producing fake evidence to get rid of political opponents. That being said, as a french person i can't say anything better about the french justice system.

tedunangst 3y ago

Has anyone ever been sentenced to 30 years prison for doing a terrorism?

otagekki 3y ago
Conspiration is 30 years maximum. Actually committing a terrorist act and being convicted locks you up for good in a supermax prison. So yeah either way you're locked up for a VERY long time :/ People convicted for Jan 6 Capitol attacks are looking at 18 years[1] at least [1]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oath-keepers-founder-sentenced-to-18-years-for-seditious-conspiracy-in-jan-6-capitol-attack https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oath-keepers-founder-s...
- fmajid 3y ago
  Zacarias Moussaoui was sentenced to life for his participation in the conspiracy to commit 9/11, but he wasn’t one of the actual perpetrators.
- brewdad 3y ago
  18 years is by far the longest sentence handed down from Jan 6. Most convictions have resulted in probation. The Federal max sentence is rarely actually handed down. Typically, it’s closer to half the max with even that sentence shortened later on.
bigbillheck 3y ago
In the US? Absolutely. There was a very famous someone who just finished up a life sentence, and a quick google turns up https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005 https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-20... which has, among others, 40 years for Matthew Hale, 39 years for Sean Michael Gillespie, and life for Ali Al-Timmi and Eric Rudolph.
- sneak 3y ago
  He finished the first life sentence. He's still got 7 more to go, apparently.

rkagerer 3y ago

It's unfortunate when suspicion falls upon these people simply for trying to undertake privacy-protecting best practices that the majority of us morons in the world don't care about or are woefully ignorant to. I hope one day privacy is normalized and treated like a valued, first-class human right (more like it was before social platforms and cloud-hosting became a thing and shifted popular culture to share-everything/control-nothing).

qingcharles 3y ago

USA: I don't want to go into details at this point as the case is still ongoing, but I was offered a plea deal at my first court date to be released the next day and I refused. I was finally released just shy of my 10th year in detention.

southerntofu 3y ago

> 16 months(!) of detention (...) the State has been condemned for its actions Just a clarification that it appears to be 16 months of isolation and intense privations, not just any form of detention. And the State was condemned to a few thousand euros damages that's ridiculous. > I wonder what would happen if a similar case happens in the U.S. Ask Leonard Peltier or Mumia Abu Jamal. They are the "modern" equivalent of Sacco & Vanzetti or the 5 Haymarket Affair anarchists condemned to death. The US Justice system is very well-known for producing fake evidence to get rid of political opponents. That being said, as a french person i can't say anything better about the french justice system.